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[Andres]

yeah, I'm maintaining we don't need to go with a design for a new machine gun, just lighten the perfectly servicable one we have to the point it's more man portable.

We're swapping out the belt feed mechanism for a magazine mechanism, which should make it cheaper and lighter. With its lightness, we could easily swap out the double-handles for a single pistol grip. Ok, I'm convinced that it can be done in a revision, considering we have the tech for both the cartridge size we'll be using as well as the mag.

If we can create this portable, mass-produce machine gun and design the subsequent sub-machine gun, we might be able to sell some pieces to the Europeans, bringing much wealth and glory to Arstotzka. We could get back our vacation days and maybe get more funding for our weapons design program.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

As I said before, I prefer to focus on our strengths. We already have noticeably better artillery technologies than our enemy, lets outclass them in this field and let our firearms to lag behind slightly. Even if this project will be a failure it will give us some useful experience to design better artillery next turn(s)

We can spend revisions to not be far behind but lets remember that 20th century wars aren't won by firearms.

[Funk]

Our glorious artillery is better than the enemy's
but the small arms are better than ours, let change the rules.

Basic Steam tank

Spoiler: Terra Firma Dreadnought mk 1 (click to show/hide)

The first of Arstotzka's glorious fighting engines.

An armoured shell made from 40 mm of the finest Arstotzkan steel.

Fitted with 6 dreadnought wheels, the rear pair are driven by the the mighty AS-51 Superheated steam engine.
Armed with a single AS-1912 Artillery gun in a turret and a pair of AS-1910 Machine Guns, one on each side of the hull.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Andres]

As I said before, I prefer to focus on our strengths. We already have noticeably better artillery technologies than our enemy, lets outclass them in this field and let our firearms to lag behind slightly. Even if this project will be a failure it will give us some useful experience to design better artillery next turn(s)

What!? You're saying that if developing artillery proves to be a pointless endeavour, we should develop artillery even more!? That is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing!

Our glorious artillery is better than the enemy's
but the small arms are better than ours, let change the rules.

Basic Steam tank

Spoiler: Terra Firma Dreadnought mk 1 (click to show/hide)

The first of Arstotzka's glorious fighting engines.

An armoured shell made from 40 mm of the finest Arstotzkan steel.

Fitted with 6 dreadnought wheels, the rear pair are driven by the the mighty AS-51 Superheated steam engine.
Armed with a single AS-1912 Artillery gun in a turret and a pair of AS-1910 Machine Guns, one on each side of the hull.

Glory to Arstotzka.

I hadn't thought of powering a tank with steam before. This could definitely work and I'll support it, but only if it's renamed the AS-T15 or something similar. We should not adopt the inferior naming system of the Moskurvites.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[10ebbor10]

What!? You're saying that if developing artillery proves to be a pointless endeavour, we should develop artillery even more!? That is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing!

Developing artillery never proved pointless though. The mortar won us the mountains, and the enemy artillery cost us the plains untill we matched. With their guns, we have been able to afford much more slack.

The tank could work. Interestingly, that thing will probably make it's own roads. Going to be slow and easily targetted by enemy artillery though, and of limited use in the Jungle. (I'm afraid it will sink.)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Hm... a crazy steampunkish tank. I want it... but  I prefer a more practical howitzer.

[Funk]

Hm... a crazy steampunkish tank. I want it... but  I prefer a more practical howitzer.

but we all ready out gun the dirty Moskurg scum in artillery, a tank will open up a new avenue of weaponry.
 

[Hiddenleafguy]

Yes, I agree, this tank may give us the edge we need.

[tryrar]

Hm... a crazy steampunkish tank. I want it... but  I prefer a more practical howitzer.

but we all ready out gun the dirty Moskurg scum in artillery, a tank will open up a new avenue of weaponry.

Yeah, but not that tank, that tank is just ridiculous. Our oil means any vehicle over the size of a motorcycle is automatically Expensive, and it sounds like it's large enough that even with our large ore bonus it has a good chance to be doubly Expensive. Cool id4ea, just not practical given our resources

[Hiddenleafguy]

It's steam powered, we can use coal.

[Andres]

The tank could work. Interestingly, that thing will probably make it's own roads. Going to be slow and easily targetted by enemy artillery though, and of limited use in the Jungle. (I'm afraid it will sink.)

The tank is equipped with our own artillery. Since the artillery is actually mounting on a higher point (the top of the tank), it should be able to slightly out-range the enemy's artillery.

It's steam powered, we can use coal.

Exactly.

I still say we should keep to our naming system. The mechanical design is fine but the name should be the same as our others.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

How about  this?

AS-T15
The first of Arstotzka's glorious fighting engines.

An armoured shell made from the finest Arstotzkan steel. It has 55mm forward armor, 40mm side, 25mm rear and top, 10mm bottom

Fitted with 6 dreadnought wheels, the rear pair are driven by the the mighty AS-51 Superheated steam engine.
Armed with a single forward facing AS-1912 Artillery gun(capable of traversing 15 degrees) and a pair of AS-1910 Machine Guns in side turrets.

Traversable turret for 80mm gun is very complex stuff and while we only need to fire forward because we will move to assault enemy trenches. On other hand, machineguns need to fire in all directions because enemy infantry can get behind it

I expect it to be a relative failure but give us useful insights for future armor and it may allow us to get a decisive victory in plains

[Aseaheru]

Wait, its wheeled? Thats not the best...

[Andres]

Actually yeah, it should use tracks instead of wheels.

The AS-T15 should use tracks instead of wheels.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Also, the only danger that could come to the tank is artillery fire. They have no mortars and grenades, after all. Less armour should be put on the front and more on the top.

EDIT2: Their biggest caliber gun is .60 cal or 15.2mm. Any armour that's 20mm or more should be able to stop it pretty easily so let's give the bottom armour 20mm of protection. We can take 5mm off from the rear, 10mm off the sides, and 10mm off the front and redistribute them to the top and bottom.

[Aseaheru]

So, lets say... 60mm front, 40mm side, 30mm top and rear, 20mm bottom?

And armed with a 80mm cannon, and a pair of machine guns... I think we probably need another machine gun in the frontarc, since thats a giant blind spot for killing infantry... That or top mounted. Pintile mount perhaps?