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[TheDarkStar]

1. You weren't ACTING the most scummy, but I think you are godfather. I would obviously want to vote for the godfather over the mafia goon. That post was a resulting theory that I created based on the way everybody was acting and how they voted.

2. Where did I claim that votes were bad? I think a vote should be made when somebody has substantial evidence to convince me that they are scum, by now, the way you have acted and the way you weren't very active on this thread UNTIL I voted for you firmed my belief that you are scum.

 By the way, that OMGUS vote on me just firmed my belief that you are godfather. Thanks for that. I hope everybody else sees that once I threatened him, he reacted agains me with arguments that don't make sense.

You claim that votes are bad to use and then you vote me for it. Either you think voting people for being suspicious is good and your vote on me has no backing or you think that voting for suspicious people is not good and you are contradicting yourself. Either way, it deserves a vote. Origamiscienceguy.

you base your vote on me just off of this.
An obvious third option is here. I think that voting for people when I am sure they are scum is good, and you are now acting extremely scummy.

1. No, your "third option" is restating one of the things I said almost word for word. Did you even read what I said?

2. Why do you think I'm the godfather (and why does the vote make you think that)? Why do you think I'm scummy in the first place (which I noticed you avoided answering)?

3. I've told you several times why I am not going to replace my vote with an FoS. The fact that you've been insisting that we not vote when Deathsword was one vote away from a hammer makes me think that you two are on a scumteam together.

4. Read 1. in my previous post. Unlike what you quoted, I actually did have more than one reason to vote for you.

5. What part of my argument doesn't make sense? This is the first time that you've mentioned it and you offer no evidence to support it.

Everyone else: What do you think of the situation right now?

[hector13]

Colour me convinced.

DarkStar

DarkStar hasn't been active until it was pointed out we suspect him of being the godfather. Scappy has been quite scummy during the game, but that can be down to inexperience, and I can't imagine the godfather would draw attention to themselves as such.

Town win the game with a godfather lynch anyway, so I'm more inclined to go for the person I think is the godfather, rather than the vanilla scum.

[TheDarkStar]

Colour me convinced.

DarkStar

DarkStar hasn't been active until it was pointed out we suspect him of being the godfather. Scappy has been quite scummy during the game, but that can be down to inexperience, and I can't imagine the godfather would draw attention to themselves as such.

Town win the game with a godfather lynch anyway, so I'm more inclined to go for the person I think is the godfather, rather than the vanilla scum.

Or, of course, it might be my usual time for posting.

[origamiscienceguy]

Your insistence that deathsword needed to be lynched was only on the basis of his quick vote on scapheap. While this is certainly anti-town, it was too blatantly scummy for a person like deathsword to do (he was very competent in Operation Overlord) This leads me to believe that he is the mafia goon sacrificing himself so that the mafia godfather could come in and lynch him like a good little townie would do. Lo and behold, you took only this vote and formed a wagon on him along with Scapheap's OMGUS. You then accused ME of defending him when I wasn't voting for him, as if to entice me to vote for him and lynch him. I decided to play it safe and wait for a few responses, especially from deathsword. It wasn't until almost a day later, after much requests for deathsword to post something, that he actually did. It is like he is trying to be invisible while you pound him into a lynch. But, when I started giving this as a theory, you started attacking ME. Coincidence, I think NOT.

[hector13]

Colour me convinced.

DarkStar

DarkStar hasn't been active until it was pointed out we suspect him of being the godfather. Scappy has been quite scummy during the game, but that can be down to inexperience, and I can't imagine the godfather would draw attention to themselves as such.

Town win the game with a godfather lynch anyway, so I'm more inclined to go for the person I think is the godfather, rather than the vanilla scum.

Or, of course, it might be my usual time for posting.

Could be. I stand by my vote.

[origamiscienceguy]

You claim that because I voted, I contradicted myself. That doesn't make sense because I am obviously gonna have to vote for somebody.

[hector13]

The day ends on the hammer, which is three votes. No deadline.

That means you shouldn't vote for someone, as a townie, unless you're comfortable saying they're scum, because of the risk that the two scum players come along with a vote and a hammer. That was why Origami (and myself) were preaching the benefits of an FoS, because it basically tells a player "we're going to vote for you if you can't convince us we shouldn't", which is exactly what has happened.

I'm comfortable calling DarkStar scum, thus the vote.

[origamiscienceguy]

I've been saying that alot, maybe he'll understand it better from you.

[TheDarkStar]

Your insistence that deathsword needed to be lynched was only on the basis of his quick vote on scapheap. While this is certainly anti-town, it was too blatantly scummy for a person like deathsword to do (he was very competent in Operation Overlord) This leads me to believe that he is the mafia goon sacrificing himself so that the mafia godfather could come in and lynch him like a good little townie would do. Lo and behold, you took only this vote and formed a wagon on him along with Scapheap's OMGUS. You then accused ME of defending him when I wasn't voting for him, as if to entice me to vote for him and lynch him. I decided to play it safe and wait for a few responses, especially from deathsword. It wasn't until almost a day later, after much requests for deathsword to post something, that he actually did. It is like he is trying to be invisible while you pound him into a lynch. But, when I started giving this as a theory, you started attacking ME. Coincidence, I think NOT.

Appealing to WIFOM isn't an argument. You just assumed that DS can't be scum without any reasoning whatsoever. What if he is scum?

Anyway, why would DS try to get himself lynched? That makes no sense, especially when bussing is the second pick behind mislynching.

PPE: I prefer voting because it tells people "You're going to be one step closer to getting lynched unless you can convince me I shouldn't do that". It's much more effective and urgent. As for the scum hammering? I'm not worried about that because (if both scum voted in succession to hammer) it would be a great way to see who both scum are. If there's already another vote on someone, I'll consider moving it off them depending on how I feel. I'm not that worried about a hammer because no one hammered DS earlier; the scum don't seem to want to sacrifice themselves for a lynch.

[origamiscienceguy]

Let me say that AGAIN...

I THINK DEATHSWORD IS SCUM. THE MAFIA GOON. HE IS SACRIFICING HIMSELF SO YOU CAN LOOK GOOD. BUSSING IS A VERY COMMON TACTIC IN THESE GAMES.

[TheDarkStar]

Let me say that AGAIN...

I THINK DEATHSWORD IS SCUM. THE MAFIA GOON. HE IS SACRIFICING HIMSELF SO YOU CAN LOOK GOOD. BUSSING IS A VERY COMMON TACTIC IN THESE GAMES.

Why do you think that? You've said several times WHAT you think, but you've never actually explained WHY.

[TheDarkStar]

EBWOP:

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You claim that because I voted, I contradicted myself. That doesn't make sense because I am obviously gonna have to vote for somebody.
[/quote]

Well, yeah, that's the contradiction.

[origamiscienceguy]

Find me a quote where I said I would never vote for someone.

[origamiscienceguy]

I said why here. You are clearly desperately trying to undermine my arguments by asking the same questions over and over again.

Your insistence that deathsword needed to be lynched was only on the basis of his quick vote on scapheap. While this is certainly anti-town, it was too blatantly scummy for a person like deathsword to do (he was very competent in Operation Overlord) This leads me to believe that he is the mafia goon sacrificing himself so that the mafia godfather could come in and lynch him like a good little townie would do. Lo and behold, you took only this vote and formed a wagon on him along with Scapheap's OMGUS. You then accused ME of defending him when I wasn't voting for him, as if to entice me to vote for him and lynch him. I decided to play it safe and wait for a few responses, especially from deathsword. It wasn't until almost a day later, after much requests for deathsword to post something, that he actually did. It is like he is trying to be invisible while you pound him into a lynch. But, when I started giving this as a theory, you started attacking ME. Coincidence, I think NOT.

[TheDarkStar]

I said why here. You are clearly desperately trying to undermine my arguments by asking the same questions over and over again.

Your insistence that deathsword needed to be lynched was only on the basis of his quick vote on scapheap. While this is certainly anti-town, it was too blatantly scummy for a person like deathsword to do (he was very competent in Operation Overlord) This leads me to believe that he is the mafia goon sacrificing himself so that the mafia godfather could come in and lynch him like a good little townie would do. Lo and behold, you took only this vote and formed a wagon on him along with Scapheap's OMGUS. You then accused ME of defending him when I wasn't voting for him, as if to entice me to vote for him and lynch him. I decided to play it safe and wait for a few responses, especially from deathsword. It wasn't until almost a day later, after much requests for deathsword to post something, that he actually did. It is like he is trying to be invisible while you pound him into a lynch. But, when I started giving this as a theory, you started attacking ME. Coincidence, I think NOT.

Yes, I saw that post. The first part is WIFOM. The second part is accusing me of responding to your posts during my normal posting time. It's not a coincidence because it's not supposed to be or meant as one; it's responding to other people.