Comrade, you are not reading the game very closely.
Actually, he's paying more attention that practically any other person here, because he's actually taking the time to
ask about it, and offer input.
Name one other non-IC who's actually taken the time to do this, beyond simply parroting something that's already been said.
You seem to be twisting mastahcheese's words now. You say because he's not an IC he can't offer advice.
Mastahcheese should not be engaged in telling newer players what to do from a position of authority, no. The IC role is there specifically to avoid experienced players steamrolling newbies by giving them poor or leading advice.
Did I say I was doing this from a point of authority? No. I was
making an example of myself, which is nowhere near the same.
A professor that sits in front of a chalkboard, explaining the dangers of chemical reactions, is not the same as someone who lights himself on fire to demonstrate the same ideal. Clearly one would be approved by a school board, and the other would not.
One of my
biggest issues with the "IC voice" (not the ICs themselves, mind you) is that it tells people that there is a "right way" and a "wrong way" to play Mafia. Which is simply false. In fact, the way you are getting on Shamrock in the way you are utterly pisses me off, because you're basically saying "I'm the teacher, he has no right to teach, and you're a fool for thinking you can learn from him!"
There is more to learn than what you are willing to teach.
If I were here to "steamroll noobs", then I'd be doing nothing but driving people away from the game. Which is the exact opposite point of this game. Why do you think I've
chosen an IC, someone who I
can attack in a ridiculous manner, in order to show this?
Now what on earth is wrong with this? Both of the official teacher-players are attacking the same person. Now Cheese could be saying both of you are a team, he's doing something in particular we should be paying attention to or that even the mighty can fall. When I read it I did not get the implication that the ICs were scum. It was more like
"Gather round kids, this is an important event and I want to pay particular attention"
All newer players should be paying attention to the ICs regardless of what is going on in the game. Furthermore, new players should be paying attention to the entire game, not just places where players asserting authority tell them to do so.
Not to mention, that particular quote was taken as having implied assertions that other players have caught onto.
So because he has a different opinion than the other players, he is wrong?
Need I remind you of all the many,
many,
many times that scum succeeded in fooling the entirety of the town, except a single person that took a step to stop them?
Disagreeing with the mob is not ignorance, and has saved more games than you've been in.
I don't think he's using it as an excuse. His play has got him into a bad situation and he's trying to get the rest of us to pay attention to how you should try and get out of it.
Is that how you're reading it?
Because I'm reading it is "I'm in a bad spot, so I need to come up with some wild excuses to backpedal out of my reckless scumplay." What is the town motivation you seem to see from Mastahcheese's play?
Actually, you're both wrong.
I'm not trying to get out of it, I'm trying to get the ICs to show you people how to properly handle a situation like this, like professionals. Of which Scripten is currently failing, because rather than come at me with logical and concise arguments, trying to debunk a
clearly absurd theory, he's taking every step to incriminate me on the matter.
I will explain this.
Look back at my post, and the conspiracy theory behind it. Is the theory itself inherently scummy? No, it's just a theory.
Is it proclaiming people as scum? Yes. Is that scummy? No, even RVS questions accomplish this feat on a daily basis.
The vote could be considered scummy, sure. That's one thing you have to work on, but only Nerjin actually picked up on this.
So only the ICs are going to be doing the teaching? I don't know how to put this in words. Seems like setting up authority.
My role as an IC is 100% separate from my role as a player. So yes, when I am acting as IC, I am acting from authority. As a player, I am instantly wary of other players trying to lead newbies by giving "advice" like this. (That is, using the "I'm an experienced player showing players what not to do, not scum!")
Bullshit.
The fact that you are a human being means that there's only one person typing out both your play posts, and your IC posts.
Unless you can tear your brain in half, then you
are affected by it.
This is not to say that an IC that turns out to be scum will give misleading advice, there are countless examples of this to show it isn't true, but to say it is "100% separate" is not true.
And I say this because you are handling the situation I have presented rather horribly, to be blatantly honest, and then chastising the player that disagrees with you.
I really hate this. It says to me "I'm pushing a case I'm not scum. I would eliminate who I wanted dead with the NK. Trust me."
This is scum 101, actually. There's no reason for scum to try to lead the lynch on a more threatening player when they could just get an easy lynch and NK the threat.
Um, yes there is?
That is lazy scum play, at its finest, and is a good 50-80% of the reason scum get caught. Because of this belief that scum won't take risks, because it isn't efficient, or (and I really hate when this word is used in Mafia) "optimal".
Let me turn the whole kerfuffle on its head and cram it down your maw.
If scum don't take risks, because it is suboptimal, explain, with your own reasoning, the scum motivation behind my actions.You
cannot answer this question without contradicting yourself, in at least one aspect.