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[pisskop]

Pisskop:

   Who are my scumbuddies?  You need 2.  Youve provided nothing but basic conjecture and theory that progresses an agenda to kill me.

He doesn't need to name scumbuddies to successfully pursue a case on you.


(Real post is half typed)

Normally Id agree.  But Jim is following one leadto the exclusion of all others.  Do these look like D2reads?

Let's see:

pisskop - Everything pisskop does makes me want to vote him, but by virtue of night actions he maybe isn't scum, maybe? I'm starting to feel like lynching him for being distracting would be a legitimately good idea, and this may be the first time I've actually thought that way.
zombie urist - zombie urist is just kind of there. You make some good points about his voting at the end of Day 1.
Tiruin - I don't have any strong opinion of my own about Tiruin, but I agree with your points that she's been entirely contentless all game long.
Shakerag - Lurking.
Toaster - Also lurking.
UXLZ - Eh
Scripten - Meh
Deus Asmoth - Bleh
Persus13 - Doesn't post frequently but does have good content when he does post.
notquitethere - I'm inclined to think you're town, based on how you were willing to urge people against a flabort lynch on Day 1.
Cheeetar - Cheeetar has been aggressive. He's kind of a hardass sometimes.
Jim Groovester - Of course I'm town.

No.  This is standard scummy lurker fare from a not lurker.
  Literally 1 scum, 1 townie (himself), and the rest are 'meh'.

Its comperable to Tiruin.  Ive scraped gum off my boot that gave more effort than this.

FOS: Jim

[Cheeetar]

Pisskop, what are your thoughts on Tiruin? Please to not be replying with 'I've already said this!', because you should know by now that it's incredibly hard to read your posts unless you spell it out as simply as you're able.
Tiruin, what are your thoughts on Pisskop?

[Jim Groovester]

   Who are my scumbuddies?  You need 2. 

No I don't. That's dumb.

Youve provided nothing but basic conjecture and theory that progresses an agenda to kill me.

Yeah, that's how the game goes. Welcome to mafia.

FOS: Jim

I thought you suspected me beforehand. Like when you suspected me because flabort sent me a PM in Day 1, or earlier on Day 2 when I voted you for your crappy role claim.

I posted my reads earlier today, so how come you only take up issue with them now, after I post some theory trying to convince people not to treat you as auto-town, instead of when I posted them?

It's like your suspicions are defensive and self-serving rather than genuine.

[UXLZ]

Come to think of it, why doesn't pisskopp have more votes on him than he does?

Spoiler: NQT's Stuff (click to show/hide)

UXLZ, what do you think of the arguments I've outline above?

I agree with most of it, but there's something niggling me though, and I can't quite figure out what it is just yet. Can someone prompt me in maybe an hour or two to see if I've managed to figure out what it is?
Ah, nevermind, I think I figured it out. Your listed version of the events and motivations only seems to have the assumed scum teams planning for the short term rather than the long term. Did you account for the possibility of long-term planning and I'm just missing it (or you decided that it wasn't worth thinking about)?

You're probably right when you say that we'd gain the most amount of information from lynching Shakerag (he seems like a survivor to me, if I'm honest, but it seems strange having two of them in the same game, since Toaster is apparently one as well. I guess with the amount of players we have that could account for the seemingly low number of Third Party Roles?)

What kind of benefits do you think we'd get from lynching pisskopp (information-wise)? Aside from the sweet serenity of silence, that is.

[Jim Groovester]

Reread backwards from the end of Day 1. Didn't make it all the way to the beginning. Some stuff came up.

zombie urist, you posted opinions about Tiruin and Scripten in the following post from Day 1:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

First, welcom ZU, have you been reading the thread? Are you caught up, and can you answer the questions to you?

No, yes, no cause I'm lazy.

Why are people voting for Tiruin? Is it basically because she's not posting much because of bad internet? Because I'm going to take that as they don't want to make a decision on the Flabort/pisskop thing.

I suppose that NQT is pretty towny right now, but I really disagree with a Tiruin lynch. Even though both pisskop/flabort are strong power roles, even if they are town there's a lot of people on the wagons it'll be useful to see who voted for whom and for what reasons. Expect me to completely reverse my opinion of NQT sometime this game. But he's right that its unlikely that both are scum.

I'm going to vote for Scripten for voting lurkers the entire day, despite posting quite a lot with regards to other players.

Of Flabort and Pisskop, I think that 4mask/pisskop is more likely to be town of some sort. I think Flabort panicked and seeing no other way out chose to reveal the gambit to everyone. I'll switch my vote to Flabort if there's a tie at day end.

Have your opinions changed? How have they changed, if they have?

What made you change your mind from Scripten yesterday, (then flabort which you've posted about) to UXLZ today?

Scripten, UXLZ, Deus Asmoth, what do you make of mastahcheeses's votes on pisskop, Scripten, TheDarkStar, and his Day 1 reads? Do they suggest anything?

Toaster, Persus13, what do you make of this post by Scripten directed mostly towards mastahcheese? What do you make of it in comparison to his response to zombie urist's vote of him?

Come to think of it, why doesn't pisskopp have more votes on him than he does?

What's your intuition on that question?

[UXLZ]

What's your intuition on that question?

3crazy5me?

Scripten, UXLZ, Deus Asmoth, what do you make of mastahcheeses's votes on pisskop, Scripten, TheDarkStar, and his Day 1 reads? Do they suggest anything?

The votes seem weirdly overblown and emotional, though fairly consistent with the reads he gave except for Scripten which kinda came out of left field. I'm actually thinking he may have planned to set Scripten up, though I could just be overthinking. Obviously it didn't go anywhere since Scripten is still with us, but he may have been trying.

Scripten: When the reveal of the gambit came out, he actually wanted to know more of it from the viewpoint of the people less-involved (being me and DA) I like this, he's not being narrow-minded. Lean town for now.

An ominous 'for now', and sure enough, two days (admittedly a fairly long time) later...

You know what? Since I hate when people agree on things, Scripten.

I get this weird-ass feeling when I read your earlier posts, and when I read your more current ones.

A few people have read you as town-like, including myself, and it almost feels like you've grown bolder in your accusations since then, and less wary.
Like you're using that as some kind of shield, knowing that you can pull back on those in order to defend yourself with, in order to solidify your position, should someone get suspicious.
The thing is, I can't exactly quote individual posts to prove this point, because it's entirely a gut feeling. But it honestly feels like you've become more bold since people started supporting you.
I also don't like the frequency in which you switch targets, and even say

It seemed to ring hollow since no one supported him (his reasons were mostly just 'Scripten is scummy, trust me, guys',) but eh~.

The theory is relatively far-fetch'd, but that's what I make of it. What about you, Jim?

[Jim Groovester]

What about you, Jim?

I'd like to hear the opinions of the other people I asked before I give my own.

[UXLZ]

What about you, Jim?

I'd like to hear the opinions of the other people I asked before I give my own.

I'd suggest PMing it to me but that's pretty pointless.

Do you think we're all getting needlessly distracted by Pisskopp and wasting time or do you think there's a light at the end of the tunnel?

[Jim Groovester]

Do you think we're all getting needlessly distracted by Pisskopp and wasting time

No, we're all getting necessarily distracted by pisskop and wasting time.

do you think there's a light at the end of the tunnel?

The tunnel actually doesn't end.

[UXLZ]

No, we're all getting necessarily distracted by pisskop and wasting time.

Cheap shot! You know what I meant.

The tunnel actually doesn't end.

Aaand sig'd.

What are your thoughts on Shakerag at the moment, anything beyond 'lurking'?
Do you think him being a survivor is too farfetch'd to make sense?

[Jim Groovester]

What are your thoughts on Shakerag at the moment, anything beyond 'lurking'?
Do you think him being a survivor is too farfetch'd to make sense?

Dude hasn't done anything at all during Day 2. Hard to get an opinion on somebody beyond lurking when they do that.

Ehhhhh, straight up lurking is too conspicuous to make it a valid survivor strategy, so I don't think that's his game.

[UXLZ]

Dude hasn't done anything at all during Day 2. Hard to get an opinion on somebody beyond lurking when they do that.

Ehhhhh, straight up lurking is too conspicuous to make it a valid survivor strategy, so I don't think that's his game.

Understandable.

If he's not a survivor, what could he be? Hopefully not a hive mind, god forbid, I hate the look of those. There don't seem to be any abductor classes or exterminators in this game, given the events of night one. Well, it's possible, but unlikely.

If he hasn't contributed anything by the end of the day or at least offered some explanation for lack of activity I'm probably going to vote for him.

By the way, your play has seemed a lot more passive in this game than passed ones. Any reason for that, or am I just imagining things?
Eh, nevermind, I just reread a bit. I'm just imagining.

What are your thoughts on... *rolls dice*.
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Scripten?
Personally, something felt a bit weird in this post.
I mean, this line in particular makes absolutely no sense to me. I literally don't understand what he's trying to say.

Shakerag became defeatist and tried to just kill Flabort off. This would be consistent with scum!Shakerag, since a vig and scum can cross-kill.

[pisskop]

No I don't. That's dumb.

  Jim, your reads are nonexistent.  Theyre situationally flexible and thus scummy as sin.

FOS: Jim

I thought you suspected me beforehand. Like when you suspected me because flabort sent me a PM in Day 1, or earlier on Day 2 when I voted you for your crappy role claim.

What crappy roleclaim?
 

I posted my reads earlier today, so how come you only take up issue with them now, after I post some theory trying to convince people not to treat you as auto-town, instead of when I posted them?

Or how about that theyre an affront to townies everywhere.  You post a wall of one line "meh"  reads and have the gall to ask why I find it suspicious?
  You dont have any real reads because you likely dont need to actually scumhunt.

It's like your suspicions are defensive and self-serving rather than genuine.

  Right.  Just like my suspicion of UX, or of Tiruin, or of you.  Oh, wait.

[Cheeetar]

Pisskop, what are your thoughts on Tiruin? Please to not be replying with 'I've already said this!', because you should know by now that it's incredibly hard to read your posts unless you spell it out as simply as you're able.

[pisskop]

Ive said multipe times.

  Tiruin strikes me as having a nonoffensive benign playstyle that is good at analysis.
The polite aura of that playstyle is unnerving to me naturally.

Tiruin provides good postulations and questions (erm, 'queries' ) but has  provided almost nothing the way of decisive reads or comments.  Without those to bind her she is free to say and suspect what she wants, and especially later in the game it allows scum more power and mobility.

  I dont trust her as of now, as her unwillingness to perform descisive action is a notably scumny trait.
    And an effective scum tactic if left unchecked.