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[UXLZ]

Hrrrrrm. Okay.

Do you personally think the flabort/4maskwolf/pisskop kerfluffle is worth continuing to discuss?

The kerfluffle itself? No. It's still worth keeping an eye on the players, though.

With Flabort posting his reads he's looking a lot better, though he seems to be basing them an awful lot on post count and I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Pisskop was acting a bit strange at first but that could be due to the situation he was thrust into. Time will tell with him.

4mask is obviously no longer in the game.

At that point the thread might as well remain unlocked during the night.

If everyone's PMing everyone else it's basically a sprint game. I'm fine with the idea of being able to PM players in the middle of the night, but maybe limit it to 2-5 players or something? In that case you could still set up a network where you PM people with PMs containing other people's PMs plus your own and... Blaaargh. I dunno, it's up to Meph.

By the way, Jim, is your avatar M. Bison or something else?

[Cheeetar]

Honestly, you could probably just CC the entire playerbase so we all know the information is there. Meph gave the okay for quoting PMs from dead players who had PMed you in the night before, so long as I didn't talk to them after night had formally ended.

At that point the thread might as well remain unlocked during the night.

That's actually fairly pertinent.

Mephansteras: Given that there are no restrictions on sending messages to all players during night time, and these may be quoted, would you leave the thread unlocked at night to save the trouble of having to type out everyone's name in the PM box? Am I pushing my luck?

[Tiruin]

PFP

Mephansteras: [stuff on PMs and Night] Am I pushing my luck?

Que?

I'd be wary of the PMs, however--it reminds me of a time long past, where the game was 'Dwarf Fortress Themed Mafia' and Solifuge was still here (as well as Mephansteras): the concept of the little kid and such.

It adds quite a...spin to the game, so to speak. Given how I understood the game, anyway ._.

Err, adding this in. The real point of the brevity in this post is on the orange part.

[Cheeetar]

Well- it essentially means trying too hard to gain more when you've already been quite lucky already. To try to get more out of your fortune so far unwisely.

[UXLZ]

Honestly, you could probably just CC the entire playerbase so we all know the information is there. Meph gave the okay for quoting PMs from dead players who had PMed you in the night before, so long as I didn't talk to them after night had formally ended.

At that point the thread might as well remain unlocked during the night.

That's actually fairly pertinent.

Mephansteras: Given that there are no restrictions on sending messages to all players during night time, and these may be quoted, would you leave the thread unlocked at night to save the trouble of having to type out everyone's name in the PM box? Am I pushing my luck?

Yeah, I'm going to oppose this. If that's the case it makes the night phase totally pointless and it may as well be a sprint game.

[UXLZ]

-sigh-...

*Deep breath*
Okay then, let's get started and try to spur a bit more activity. This is going to be a big list on... Well, everyone. Except me, obviously.
It was originally going to be a big list where I went over the rest of this thread with as fine a toothed comb as I could manage to try and get some stuff going on, but... The first person I started to look at was scummy enough to convince me to tunnel, at least for now, and that person is... Deathsword

Spoiler: My Reason(s) (click to show/hide)

Deathsword came into the game somewhat late, responding to two questions from the RQS after the whole 4mask/flabort kerfuffle had started. (He made no comment on it and doesn't appear to have made any comment on .)
That post ended with the words of 'More Soon' which he failed to deliver quite... Spectacularly. His next post didn't come until roughly 27 hours later, and was neither soon or more, it consisted of a pointless statement and a single question directed at pisskop. The next post was just a single question directed at pisskop, (as well as a vote) and the next after that was... Also a single question directed at pisskop. That is everything (unless I'm about to gloriously make a fool of myself by missing something) he has contributed to this thread thus far. None of those questions were followed up on in the slightest, and whole normally I'd say that's understandable, given such a low amount of content and such hard tunneling, I don't think it's excusable without at least some sort of explanation.

Interesting to note is that the reasoning for him beginning to vote for pisskop to begin with.
This was the exchange leading up to it.

Here, pisskop was responding to my explanation of why it seemed I 'knew about the PM before it revealed' (which was really just him missing something on one of Flabort's posts.)

Ohh.  >.<  Still.  I don't like you for other reasons.

I responded to that with

Please elaborate, keeping these things to yourself doesn't help anyone.

Deathsword followed immedtiately after (3 minutes later) with

Which are...? You letting your vote hang of UXLZ for reasons known only to yourself and that, it seems, you are unwilling to share, pisskop

Firstly, nowhere did it seem to me that pisskop was 'unwilling' to share his reasons for suspecting me at the time. My take was more that he had chosen not to for some unknown reason (possibly fearing more people jumping on him)... Or simply didn't have any, hence my prodding of him to share.
Deathsword seemingly pulled the idea of this 'unwillingness' from thin air. There wasn't even enough time afterwards for him to have reasonably assumed that due to pisskop's silence, given the time between my post and his was a small 3 minutes. Between his and pisskop's, it was five, still nowhere near enough (in my opinion) for their to be any implied signs of 'unwillingness.'
It also seems to be an act of either attempting to buddy me or chainsaw defending in an effort to try and buddy with me.

Now, for the questions I want answered.

Why the failure to deliver on your 'more soon?'
Why the lack of follow-up on your questions to pisskop?
Why the lack of content in general?
Why the seeming 'active lurking' (something that you said yourself is highly scummy behavior)? You've made 13 other posts since your last one in this topic, so it can't have been a 'real life getting in the way and can't be on the forums' situation.

[UXLZ]

I was reading through the tech and stuff to get an idea of what may happen over the coming night, and this lead me to wondering (since you said there shouldn't be any draws.)

What happens if everyone is targeting one player (or there's a chain that links them all up) and he plasma bombs himself?

[UXLZ]

Ah, crap, I meant to put a Meph there.

[pisskop]

Persus13

pisskop:

I hope you will agree this is my town game.

Stop worrying about how you are being perceived because of wolf and try to find an alternative to your lynch.

I'm not sure how you expect me not to respond snarkily to that.  Do I make a comment like 'oh, so you're suggesting I need to frame somebody' or 'haha, its always cool when somebody criticizes meta-talk with meta-talk' or just ignore you?  [sigh]  In any case, I don't care for your attitude,  Why don't you be a responsible adult next time and read the whole thread before plopping down a vote like a lazy meanie? 


UXLZ

I don't know if I fully approve of you, but I certainly approve of your vote atm.

-But can you tell me what changed from here?

He [pisskop] keeps mentioning someone being 'quick on the draw', but the testiness is somewhat understandable for someone coming into a... Rather hostile situation.

  -You didnt seem so suspicious of it here.


DeathSword

Deathsword:  I think you are following your pattern set by your previous games.  Namely your scum game is a more cautious and inactive one.  Adding the assumption that scum have private chat distracting them from their public face, I think you are the one person I'd like most to get a wagon onto.

  -Do you think you have hunted?
  -Do you think you have justified your votes thus far?
  -Who do you think is most likely in the town group?

Here, lest it be forgotten.  I think the chance of you being scum is pretty good atm.  I would take you as I see you now over a claimed vig any day.

speaking of . . .

Flabort
That lst wall of links of your's was pretty staggering.  Impressive, actually.  I'm reading so much affronted Townie than scumball fakeclaim.  I'll get to each individual bit you brought up when I'm in a more comfortable place physically, but for now I'd like to say that the answers to most of your linked questions can be found a mere post of two away.

  for the record, I definitely do not support a Flabort lynch today.  Not after that.


Tiriun
I appreciate the compressed reads, but can't help notice all of the neutrals you put in.  Do you have a 'top 4' list, or even a couple of FOS?  You kind of give me an '8 ball vibe', where nobody is given anything more than vague and neutral-positive marks.

  You also commented on the pm limits.  Have you been sending PMs?  Do you think they help or hurt town?  Why?  How easy would it be to lie in a PM about your role/goal/alignment and be believed?


MastaCheese

I judge "posting" by the amount of content in them, not the number of posts themselves.
You don't make many individual posts, but your posts contain more context than most.
Hence, in my mind, you post plenty.

If I did the same you'd be about where I have you; Nullscum.  You do not impress with the quality of your posts, and I would vote you if Deathsword and UXLZ hadn't caught my attentions.  Do I mark you down for having attempted to buddy Jim?  I'm going to call you 'fluffcat' for now.


More today or perhaps tomorrow (Im hope)  We have a regular 30^of blizzard out.

[Deus Asmoth]

Unvote. I may be wrong (and I hope I'm not) but I'm thinking now that flabort and pisskop are both townies that ended up at cross purposes.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
pisskop: Deathsword, Persus13, flabort
Deathsword: pisskop, UXLZ
Shakerag: ToonyMan
TheDarkStar: Jim Groovester
Tiruin: notquitethere
ToonyMan: Scripten
UXLZ: Shakerag
flabort: Cheeetar, TheDarkStar, Toaster



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday


The thread will be locked at night. If you wish to go through the effort of contacting everyone, you may, but anything said at night is by default private.

What happens if everyone is targeting one player (or there's a chain that links them all up) and he plasma bombs himself?

The Exterminator is never effected by his own bomb, so that would be a very effective trap.

Note, though, that in the case that everyone dies the game is allowed to end on a draw.

[Scripten]

Unvote Toonyman

This post seems town enough to warrant looking elsewhere for the time being.

Tiruin:

I tried to simplify your reads. Is this basically what you posted? If not, can you revise your list to make this more accurate?

    Cheetar -- leaning town
    notquitethere -- null
    pisskop -- null/third-party
    Jim Groovester -- null
    TheDarkStar -- null
    Persus13 -- null leaning town
    Shakerag -- null
    mastahcheese -- leaning town
    ToonyMan -- leaning town !!!
    Deus Asmoth -- leaning town
    flabort -- null
    UXLZ -- null leaning town
    Scripten -- null
    Deathsword -- null
    Toaster -- null

Deus Asmoth:

Since you're leaning toward flabort and pisskop being town, where do you think scum is hiding?


You know, I'd actually forgotten that Deathsword was even in this game. That's some impressive active lurking. Let's see some real scumhunting come from over there.

[pisskop]

Piskop/4maskwolf: Besides the fact that I don't believe his gambit is town-sided, here are the facts:
1)I don't recall him saying what the 'other' reasons are, and
2)As opposed to what assumption?
3)3 and 1? Where did this come from?
4)Didn't you promise reads?
5)This seems off, too.
6)UXLZ was right, I hadn't snipped that line from when I snipped the role, Still don't remember why I did snip that.
7)((In his defense, I didn't expect it either but I got accuse of this too))

1) Here I list three posts that I disapprove of
2) The assumption I am scum is opposed to the assumption I am town.  I was noting that she didn't include any hint that I could be scum, and wanted to see her reaction.
3) There are 4 egg thingies, which are the dopplgangers.  I was musing about the odds that all 4 were scum.  I had believed there were 3 scum and 1 'other' anti-town.  Since then Meph has stated that the 4 eggs were the 4 members of the scumteam, and that any third faction(s) would be separate.
4) I have given them, just not in one single post.  I have highlighted my 4 most suspected players.
5) I will not be cowed by others.  Simple as that.
6) So he was.  I unvoted him after here.
7) Not something I need to reply to.

I'll ask you some questions now.

Which players do you intend to follow or watch if you're a reporter like 4mask claimed? Why?

What are your reads?

What do you think of Jim Groovester and Toaster so far? What do you think of Shakerag and TheDarkStar so far?

  I am not completely sure.  I have a few ideas, and suggestions have been sent to me by a few people.  Most likely 'the scummiest person'.  I am considering watching you, at this point.  Would be interesting, to say the least.

I would like to wagon/question Deathsword, and Mastacheese, atm.  I'm less sure of the rest, to varying degrees.  I liked Tooney's response, and Cheetar is still just as null as before.

Jim is -null-.  Nothing on him either way, but I know nothing about him, so I'm watchful.
Toaster seems kinda town.  No real suspicion of him.
Shakerag is looking, so there is that.
TheDarkStar I am suspicious of, but have nothing to present.

[ToonyMan]

ToonyMan:

An interesting feeling. Let me think, why specifically would Flabort claim town vig if he wasn't, and how does that affect you?

Dude.  I just said.  "Which makes me think that he's possibly a war vet or has sentry guns ... or is scum."
How does that affect me?  Well, it would make me leery of visiting him at night if I had an ability that would trigger war vet/sentry guns.  As it stands, I'm not sure if flabort did something incredibly stupid or if his claim is a ruse in some manner or another.  It's enough for me to keep an eye on him and see what he does and/or what happens around him.

Right.

I noticed that, you unvoted from pisskop, who was involved in the huge 4maskwolf/pisskop and Flabort storm that swept through earlier Day 1. Why not stay on him? Are you going to go back to him, or someone else? Personally, I think Flabort is an okay lynch choice. I mean, worst case, he could actually be a town vig but shoot all the wrong people, right? (this isn't rhetorical)

I just wanted to prod at pisskop a bit after he replaced in to see how he'd wobble.  I didn't have any good reason to keep a vote parked on him, and it was close enough to the end of the day that I didn't want to chance the day ending without me getting back to look at things more closely. 
I'm undecided on a flabort lynch.  There's a non-insignificant chance that he could be town and went full derp by claiming.  If you're trying to rally my vote for a flabort lynch then you'll need to be a bit more persuasive.

Would you say you decided to avoid being involved with Pisskop/4mask & Flabort? The day was extended so it doesn't really matter, but if Day 1 really did end on yesterday then I think it would have very likely been a Flabort lynch based on this post. Your post just to unvote shortly later doesn't seem to be doing anything besides distancing.

Pisswolf

Hahaha, I'm sorry.

[Toaster]

Flabort

((although This post is a point in his favor))

Why?  The thing that sticks out to me on there is him saying you're not a good lynch.

How big a metric is post volume in your scum ratings?

Why not "gain some standing with the town" by hunting scum?


Tiruin:  I can't say I've seen you attacking or even seriously probing anyone this game.  Even with your read post, I feel you're really standoffish this game; your lack of vote highlights this.  What's up?


Mastahcheese and Deus:  I notice you're also not voting.  Why?  Why doesn't your chief suspect warrant a vote at this time?


Unlikely I can do a more in-depth read this weekend; hopefully early Monday.