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[Sheb]

It's perfectly possible for an individual person to be misandrist even if no cultural context for misandry exist. Sure, the consequence won't be as bad for the victim, but it's still totally possible.

[Neonivek]

He also sank several threads by forcing GG debates even when everyone told him to stop.

[smeeprocket]

It's perfectly possible for an individual person to be misandrist even if no cultural context for misandry exist. Sure, the consequence won't be as bad for the victim, but it's still totally possible.

the concept of misandry is a myth and its use is often by MRAs and Red-Pillers to complain about any feminist or being friend-zoned and having a women react angrily when they realize the friendship was just a ploy to get in her pants. Plus whatever else those types complain about. The concept as it is used is that "those feminists" are promoting a mass hatred for men.

Honestly, most of us, as in the very vast majority, do not hate men, and when we have to spend our entire time promising men that really, we don't hate them, nothing actually gets discussed. Calling misandry is a way to silence a feminist.

[Neonivek]

It's perfectly possible for an individual person to be misandrist even if no cultural context for misandry exist. Sure, the consequence won't be as bad for the victim, but it's still totally possible.

the concept of misandry is a myth and its use is often by MRAs and Red-Pillers to complain about any feminist or being friend-zoned and having a women react angrily when they realize the friendship was just a ploy to get in her pants. Plus whatever else those types complain about. The concept as it is used is that "those feminists" are promoting a mass hatred for men.

Honestly, most of us, as in the very vast majority, do not hate men, and when we have to spend our entire time promising men that really, we don't hate them, nothing actually gets discussed. Calling misandry is a way to silence a feminist.

Look smeeprocket I understand what you are saying. The word Misandry is an abused term and has been stretched far outside its definition to the extent that many people use it without even referring to it properly AND it us used as a shut up mechanism.

But improper usage doesn't make the entire concept a myth.

Feminism isn't Misandry... Misandry is Misandry.

[VoxieG]

My point is not that you are sexist, but that you are probably basing your opinions off of very hateful and anti-feminist sources.

You're going to need to go into more detail as to why his sources are "hateful" and why they should be held in low regard.

Misandry is a myth and using that term does label you as a sexist, tbh.

Well I guess Samantha Allen and the SCUM Manifesto are just myths then. Ironically, Samantha Allen is a sexist, and she uses the term "misandry," so you're not entirely wrong.

I understand that you feel that the term is misused, though I would say the same about the term "misogyny."

[smeeprocket]

My point is not that you are sexist, but that you are probably basing your opinions off of very hateful and anti-feminist sources.

You're going to need to go into more detail as to why his sources are "hateful" and why they should be held in low regard.

Misandry is a myth and using that term does label you as a sexist, tbh.

Well I guess Samantha Allen

and the SCUM Manifesto are just myths then. Ironically, Samantha Allen is a sexist, and she uses the term "misandry," so you're not entirely wrong.

I understand that you feel that the term is misused, though I would say the same about the term "misogyny."
[/quote]

you found one person, she's probably also a TERF, (though that's just a guess.)

Misogyny is not misused. It does have a power structure to back it up, and it exists in day to day life with long lasting impacts on women. Trivializing that because this one feminist one time said she hated men is absurd.

[Neonivek]

Here is a question Smeeprocket

Why doesn't Misandry have the power structure to back it up?

I feel like there is more going on here... a underlying assumption about misandry.

[Sheb]

We're not trivializing feminism. No one is saying that all feminists, or even many of them are misandrist.

It's just that you look very silly when trying to pretend something don't exist when faced with an example of such a thing.

Also, no one called you a misandrist.

[smeeprocket]

Smeeprocket what makes you an expert? Other then listening to the general garbage that gets pushed out by the media and misandrists puritans?

this quote implies that feminists are mysandrist puritans (I don't understand the puritans part.)

[alexandertnt]

It's perfectly possible for an individual person to be misandrist even if no cultural context for misandry exist. Sure, the consequence won't be as bad for the victim, but it's still totally possible.

the concept of misandry is a myth and its use is often by MRAs and Red-Pillers to complain about any feminist or being friend-zoned and having a women react angrily when they realize the friendship was just a ploy to get in her pants. Plus whatever else those types complain about. The concept as it is used is that "those feminists" are promoting a mass hatred for men.

Honestly, most of us, as in the very vast majority, do not hate men, and when we have to spend our entire time promising men that really, we don't hate them, nothing actually gets discussed. Calling misandry is a way to silence a feminist.

I don't really think there is any systematic misandry, so I could agree that that is a myth (I wouldn't quite use that word though). It is still certainly possible, however uncommon, for an individual to be misandric, or to eschew misandric ideas. The very fact that you stated "the very vast majority, do not hate men" (there does exist some people who do hate men) seems to imply you agree.

It's a loaded term though. A lot of the time I see the term used for the very purpupose you state, so I can understand why it would invoke such strong suspicions of an ulterior motive, and I would also be suspicious of anyone going around using the term misandrist.

Smeeprocket what makes you an expert? Other then listening to the general garbage that gets pushed out by the media and misandrists puritans?

this quote implies that feminists are mysandrist puritans (I don't understand the puritans part.)

It actually doesn't. It is a Reductio ad absurdum of your logic, so if anything it sort of implies the opposite.

[Neonivek]

Smeeprocket what makes you an expert? Other then listening to the general garbage that gets pushed out by the media and misandrists puritans?

For sanity, I am going to properly quote it so it seems less out of context. Go ahead and click the link.

[Arx]

Smeeprocket what makes you an expert? Other then listening to the general garbage that gets pushed out by the media and misandrists puritans?

this quote implies that feminists are mysandrist puritans (I don't understand the puritans part.)

All it is is a reversal of your statement that he knows about feminism from the "general vitriol that the media and conservatives tend to spew".

Calling his point invalid is equivalent to calling your own point invalid, unless you have a very good justification.

[Sheb]

Yeah, Neonivek was basically saying "It's not right for you to insult people, would you like me to tell you this: "Sentence about misandrist puritans, which is actually a parody of what you said earlier"?"

[VoxieG]

you found one person, she's probably also a TERF, (though that's just a guess.)

Misogyny is not misused. It does have a power structure to back it up, and it exists in day to day life with long lasting impacts on women. Trivializing that because this one feminist one time said she hated men is absurd.

I found two, and I could find more. When you use a term that means "the hatred of women" for things such as sexy advertisements or anti-feminism, you are misusing it. If you want to see someone that hates women, I'd recommend looking up Ted Bundy.

Also, I don't know what a TERF is, but it it looks like you're using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

[Neonivek]

Yeah, Neonivek was basically saying "It's not right for you to insult people, would you like me to tell you this: "Sentence about misandrist puritans, which is actually a parody of what you said earlier"?"

Close, I was trying to explain how Smeeprocket's words come out to her.

I am taking her by her word that she isn't honestly accusing anyone of being sexist. But that she, intending to or not, writes in a way where it seems like an accusation.