Sorry for my absence guys, I'm helping my family prepare to move while I'm in town for my break, and I stopped getting email alerts about people posting for some reason. Hopefully I'll be more active after I head back to school on the 2nd. Anyway, wall of text incoming.
I've only responded to stuff through page 6 and I've only read through page 7, so if stuff I've said here is no longer relevant or redundant or otherwise affected by that, let me know.
Scripten:Persus13
Persus: Do you think that scum might want to get lookout duty in an attempt to find any town power roles in the game?
Of course they would. But it is something that, if successful, would cause them to get increased scrutiny from the town, which is pretty much always a good thing.
Do you also believe that it follows that increased scrutiny on town players is a good thing?
Unless it results in decreased attention to scum players, yes. Knowing who is town is almost as important as knowing who is scum, and figuring out if someone is town is something that helps me out when I'm scumhunting. if town players are doing town vs. town and the scum is sitting back and watching, then there's a problem. And since you don't know who is town or scum at the start, everyone should be given scrutiny.
Of course your comment changes his answer. Do you expect him to read my post and then not allow your comment to affect his perception of it? Not going after someone for questions that haven't been answered tends to be a standard part of Mafia etiquette. As for what my expected response was, of course I expected a few different responses from Mastahcheese, either angry, or a simple explanation. If he had said something unexpected, or otherwise made some sort of slipup, then I would have something to pursue. Your comment makes it harder for him to do an unexpected outcome.
You're acting as if I've answered the question for him. I specifically did not. I called out the question and pointed out the potential scum-sided motivation in it. Ergo scumhunting.
Had I said something along the lines of "Mastahcheese meant [so-and-so] by what he said", that would have been interfering. As it is, I don't believe my comments stepped over that line. That said, I don't think that this discussion is furthering the game state. I'll keep off the subject from here on out, with my apologies extended.
While you didn't answer, it's like saying "#48 is a trick question" on a test. Nevertheless I gratefully accept the apology and agree to drop the matter, perhaps resuming it in a discussion of what Mafia etiquette should or is after the game. I hope I wasn't overly angry with you.
The difference of viewpoint had more to do with the second set of questions, which were the ones I regarded as more important.
Very well. Can you explain these differences?
Mastahcheese's post implied to me that the hide action was an action that implied the person who did it was scum. To me the hide action seemed something that could be potentially useful to town players (cop claims with a scum ID, scum is lynched, cop is appointed lookout with a chance to hide), and the pure mechanics of it seem to help resolve the issue of scum simply killing every appointed lookout.
No, I do not feel "Do you have any doubts as to your alignment?" is accusatory, because this is a bastard mod. It seems perfectly possible that someone might not know their wincon. It's a long shot, but still possible. If this wasn't true or mastahcheese didn't want people to know that, he could have just clarified.
That seems like quite the long shot, indeed. Your explanation here feels like backpedaling. Do you find that scum are more or less willing to concede points?
Generally I find scum less wiling to concede points, but it's not something exclusive to scum unfortunately. It also is a playstyle/character trait, and in my opinion it is a somewhat annoying one. I didn't feel it was too much of a longshot because 4maskwolf had been a role where he didn't know his wincon recently, and "Nazi science" is a popular trope. Although, I mainly expected an answer saying "No, I know my role." and that question was one I didn't consider as important as the questions about the lookout mechanic to cheese.
So basically you're saying you think I'm scum for voting myself as lookout. Who would you want to be lookout right now?
It's a possibility. At the moment, I'm not 100% sure of anyone's alignment, but I'd certainly like to learn more about yours.
Who would you want to be lookout right now? What are your feelings about the lookout mechanic and who should become lookout.
Mastahcheese:Persus
Thanks for the responses. If a lookout stated that they hid the previous night, would you view that action as scummy?
Depends on the circumstances.
If nobody found them particuraly suspicious, and they're town, then scum can easily kill them without leading a trail back to them. So hiding may be good.
A very strong town player could probably be expected to hide in order to save themselves, but imagine if they were actually scum playing really well, and claimed to watch something.
Really, the way it works means that each individual occasion has to be viewed on a basis of as it comes. There's too many nuances involved to make it a flat yes or no.
Thanks for the response.
I agree that hiding is a weaker action than the lookout action, but the fact that it has a guaranteed effect and could be used to keep a townsperson alive means it might be more powerful than your hypothetical scenarios suggested.
It does lend to that, and I just realized I sited a couple of those situations while answering an above question.
Again, the nuances involved with the lookout mechanic are ehhhhh.
Basing a case solely on the lookout being a lookout is dumb.
Good, then for the most part we're agreed.
Deus Asmoth:Actually, the more I think of it, it's much more dangerous to have a scum lookout since they don't need to hide at night.
Assuming we don't have vigs or third-party players. Remember what happened in webadict's last BYOR where the town tried to outguess the mod?
It'd still be more dangerous to have a scum lookout, surely? A town lookout wouldn't be able to differentiate between a scum kill and a vigilante kill, while a scum lookout would know that they should be trying to kill anyone who takes a night action that isn't on their team.
This is a good point. What have you contributed aside from this post? Who is your top suspect currently?
Comrade Shamrock:Scripten:
Pick a word
Town Scum
Give a brief explanation of what drew you to it.
Persus:
If you were third party killing what kind would you like to be?
Congrats, you're now the Mafia Psychologist for that question to Scripten.
I would like to be the kind that kills everyone N1. Because I hate third party killing roles because they're messy. With scum, you've at least got a friend to run circles around the town and laugh about how clueless the town is. I've played one game as SK and I essentially played as if I was a town vig and killed my scum suspects and got caught out by one of the scum faking a claim that he saw me kill someone leading me to admit I was an SK (well, sort of). I then won the game for town by killing my scum suspect.
However, I do trust Caz a little more than I do the otherwise-leading candidate for Lookout, because Scripten and Persus are generating some very large posts of back-and-forth this early during RVS, not that the generation of conversation itself is bad; it's just the way they are going about it seems to be that both are determined to peg the other as being scummy.
Interesting. There are 13 players. Minus the 2 you don't want to pick, so that leaves 11. Out of these you have chosen Caz over yourself. You know your alignment but possibly have no clue about Caz. Why not Tiruin or Silthuri? They are just as good a candidate as the one you have suggested. Why is Caz above them?
Why did you suggest Tiruin and Silthuri, especially considering neither one had posted at the time you asked this?
Flabort:Why did I vote Caz for Lookout? Same reason I voted TolyK in red.
It's a random vote, during RVS.
I trust both of them about the same amount: Not at all.
However, I do trust Caz a little more than I do the otherwise-leading candidate for Lookout, because Scripten and Persus are generating some very large posts of back-and-forth this early during RVS, not that the generation of conversation itself is bad; it's just the way they are going about it seems to be that both are determined to peg the other as being scummy.
Anyways, my point is that it's a random vote, with the side-motivation of not trusting someone else with the responsibility of Lookout.
I'd like to point out that I have not voted Scripten, and while his initial attack on me I found slightly scummy, I have yet to see him as scum, and he seemed to have some good points in game so far.
I, like several others, also take issue with your lookout vote, because I don't see how voting someone who hasn't even posted yet with a green vote does anything (although I do find random voting in general pointless)
Scripten - How do you think that the lookout mechanics of the game will affect it in the best-case scenario? How about the worst?
mastahcheese - How many factions do you think there are in the game? Why?
Objection! Your Honor, these questions are speculative at best, and have no bearing on the current case. We are here to find the spies, not to outguess the mod.
Why do you take objection to this and not my questions in the very first post of the game that were fairly similar to these questions but less specific overall?
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