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[Bumber]

Can we all agree that additions should be dwarfy?

I disagree. There's petrified wood in DF, which I wouldn't consider dwarfy at all. It's downright elfy that a tree should be immortalized in such a way. (And it's magma-safe! )

[Manzeenan]

Can we all agree that additions should be dwarfy?

I disagree. There's petrified wood in DF, which I wouldn't consider dwarfy at all. It's downright elfy that a tree should be immortalized in such a way. (And it's magma-safe! )

I feel like stone magma safe trees are incredibly dwarfy, and does the method of getting them (Mining) not make them even more dwarfy?

[Reelya]

If its named Dwarven wool, what the heck is that?
 Rock cloth, why bother when I can just steel cloth from the elves?

 As for the name, my point is that the name is seen as industrial era, as is pig iron. Noone has an issue with using the modern name for pig iron for pig iron in DF, and I imagine that few-to-none with care about using asbestos for asbestos, even a tuned down version.

Well, amianthus as I am now calling it has a very high melting point. Magma-proof ropes, bags cloth etc would certainly have a few uses. At the very least a cloak that doesn't catch fire from fire breath would be handy, or an asbestos rope to restrain guests in your magma flooding chamber.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Asbestos (as I insist on calling it) is a strong, fibrous, inert material made from stone. There is little more dwarven than making fireproof cloaks from stone, even though it may cause !!fun!! in the long term. Asbestos can fireproof furniture, plaster and even dwarves themselves, as long as players accept the long term consequences...

[GavJ]

Asbestos isn't actually magma safe in real life. It melts within 50-100 degrees or so of most magmas, and some versions would melt lower than the average magma. Even the highest rated version (chrysotile) would likely begin to disintegrate and lose any strength and fuse and things like that in any magma, even if not straight up melting.

(which isn't super surprising since it's a rock itself, and a pretty midrange one for melting)

Not particularly less realistic than, say, glass being magma safe (which would act like a semi-liquid and slump into a useless blob in any magma in real life), but just saying. It would be nice to revamp the whole list at some point anyway.

[Manzeenan]

asbestos ropes would be cool as they would have to heat up to melt and if used in a magma well with magma proof buckets, this would be a great addition, i would love to have a fill pond with magma option. Always thought of how cool it would be to have some sort of magma hauling

[Manzeenan]

i realize that most ropes would melt if held in magma but this purpose is to quickly dip a bucket into magma not hold the rope in magma

[Urist Tilaturist]

Asbestos isn't actually magma safe in real life. It melts within 50-100 degrees or so of most magmas, and some versions would melt lower than the average magma. Even the highest rated version (chrysotile) would likely begin to disintegrate and lose any strength and fuse and things like that in any magma, even if not straight up melting.

(which isn't super surprising since it's a rock itself, and a pretty midrange one for melting)

Not particularly less realistic than, say, glass being magma safe (which would act like a semi-liquid and slump into a useless blob in any magma in real life), but just saying. It would be nice to revamp the whole list at some point anyway.

Notice I said fire safe, not magma safe. Many currently magma safe materials should not be, including glass and this asbestos - revamp the whole list, as you said.

[Manzeenan]

This is a game, making things too real could ruin it, Candy for example is not a real substance but it exists, this is kind of a fantasy game.

[GavJ]

Notice I said fire safe, not magma safe. Many currently magma safe materials should not be, including glass and this asbestos - revamp the whole list, as you said.

Right, and both manzeenan and reelya said magma safe. Which yes it would be by the current strict rules, but I'd prefer not to keep adding on MORE features to a broken list if possible.

This is a game, making things too real could ruin it, Candy for example is not a real substance but it exists, this is kind of a fantasy game.

What point are you getting at here? Which particular suggestion mentioned above exactly do you think would "ruin the game?"

[Dirst]

i realize that most ropes would melt if held in magma but this purpose is to quickly dip a bucket into magma not hold the rope in magma

It'd make more sense to allow a chain in place of the rope (iirc iron is magma safe).

[Manzeenan]

I was talking about going too far in the name of realism

[Manzeenan]

and wait a minute when did i say magma safe? was it misinterpreted from the well or am i just missing it? to clarify the well thing, 100-50 degrees would take a little bit to heat up the asbestos but it would not be nearly fast enough to melt the rope in the time it takes to get a bucket of magma

[Manzeenan]

i realize that most ropes would melt if held in magma but this purpose is to quickly dip a bucket into magma not hold the rope in magma

It'd make more sense to allow a chain in place of the rope (iirc iron is magma safe).

I definitely agree, just speaking my thoughts but i sitl think that it would be cool to have magma hauling, itd be like hauling 1/7 of a boulder because a full tile is 7 deep equaling (sort of) 1 obsidian tile/boulder

[Mel_Vixen]

Regarding the "Fun" consequences of Asbestos, lead, quicksilver and arsenic i say we can Handwave those with dwarven biology, depending on whats the actual biological history of dwarves theyr bodies could have evolved to withstand heavy metal poisening (or filtering out heavy metals efficiently). Actually it would be fun if your dwarves drink from lead goblets without ill effect while everyone else gets the !!fun!!. That wouldnt even be out of reach for the current syndrom-system. That wouldnt be that far off from basic D&D, TDE or other games where dwarves already have a resistance to mineral based poisons.

Personaly i am for adding asbestos, name it that or amianthus and give it a descriptive prefstring/description.