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[Sanure]

If it was force nullification barrier, the boulder would be floating in place due to not having any forces applied to it.

It does have momentum applied to it and gravity which gives it an arc path instead of the magic used to propel it forward. It wouldn't hit the target since no advanced planning was used to make sure the boulder hit. It would land inside the Anti-magic field, but the location of it impacting would not be the intended due to the forces acting upon it being different than when it started.

[Again_Dejavu]

A barrier, as opposed to a field is a 2d plane that once touched would 'reset' physics basically, removing all forces that were currently acting upon the object. It would still fall because it'd still be getting pulled down by gravity even after being stopped for a moment.

[Lyeos]

If it was force nullification barrier, the boulder would be floating in place due to not having any forces applied to it.

You know damn good and well what was meant.
Don't be that guy.

It does have momentum applied to it and gravity which gives it an arc path instead of the magic used to propel it forward. It wouldn't hit the target since no advanced planning was used to make sure the boulder hit.

According to whom? I doubt anyone would be tossing rocks willy-nilly expecting them to hit, even though it would still be possible, just harder.
You're either implying that people couldn't plan for arcs, or people are too stupid to actually attempt to do so, and both are wrong.

It would land inside the Anti-magic field, but the location of it impacting would not be the intended due to the forces acting upon it being different than when it started.

Again, how do you know they didn't plan for it?
And if the field is small enough, it isn't going to matter, roll the damn thing into them if you have to.

[Sanure]

That would be a wonderful power to have by the way I can see so many uses for it :/

Anyways, Any ideas for how to use Kyuto's vectors in hilarious ways?

@Lyeos:

1. I wasn't being that guy. I was attempting to make a joke
2. When throwing rocks, normal people don't account for trajectories and arc paths since they tend to do so without reason.
3. Knowing whether they planned or not is an unknown. I assume that they didn't since the conversation was not going into hypothetical situations. The only known was guy throws a boulder at a person in a anti-magic field using magic. Rolling would work. Gravity is your friend in that case.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Spoiler: Physics Rage and Lots of Swearing (click to show/hide)

God-fucking-damn it, Sanure. Physics does not work that way. PHYSIC DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

If you threw the rock, then the force acting upon it was you and only you. In this case, the forces acting upon it are momentum and gravity and weight.

False. First off, momentum is velocity times mass. It's not a force that affects an object's trajectory. Secondly, weight is not a force acting on the object either. Well, it's the force of gravity on the object, but you also included the force of gravity. So I have no idea what you were trying to say with it. Thirdly, that's not how forces work. The force of gravity is constant. Throwing a rock doesn't remove the force of gravity. Juts cancels it out so that the rock sails upwards.

If I threw a rock using magic, it was still me that threw it using magic. in this case the forces acting upon it are Momentum, gravity, and magic.

Nope. The forces are gravity and magic. And the force of magic disappears when the spell ends.

For movement to occur the forces acting upon an object must remain constant or, if a change in direct is caused, stronger than the origin of movement.

If Newton is not spinning in his grave, then I shall construct a coffin-spinning device so that he will be. Newton's First Law of Motion: Objects in motion continue to stay in motion. Objects at rest continue to be at rest. Unless acted on with an outside force. That's the key part here. Adding a force makes a object accelerate. Removing a force does not make it deaccelerate. You have to add a force in the opposite direction instead.

Thus, if the force acting upon an object was caused by magic and you apply a force greater than the magic, in this case Magic cancelation, the object would either change direction, or stop moving. Since the movement of the boulder thrown by magic was magic, removing the magic completely would cause a downward change in direction. It isn't canceling out the force altogether (since that would make the boulder float) but is instead changing it due to a stronger force acting upon it. it would still enter the anti-magic field, it would still be moving, but it's intended direction would change toward the ground and would no longer be directed towards the target.

This is the part where you are almost right for the wrong reasons. Magic cancellation doesn't exert a force on the object. It just removes the force cause by magic. So the object wouldn't stop moving, it'd be continuing to move in the direction in it was moving due to Newton's First Law. So the only remaining force acting upon it is gravity, which exerts a force downward on the boulder. But that wouldn't cause the rock to immediately move down towards the ground. The velocity perpendicular to the force of gravity is going to remain unchanged, so the rock will keep flying forwards as it accelerates downwards, making its path through the air a parabola.

@USEC, I do understand that Force makes Acceleration which makes velocity. However, Physics isn't just one sided like that. It has multiple factors which determines path, speed, weight, etc. All of these factors determine where it will go or impact. changing one changes the end result.

NO IT FUCKING ISN'T. PHYSICS KINEMATICS IS FUCKING ONE-SIDED LIKE THAT. Velocity, acceleration, force, time, mass and friction are the only factors that matter for a single-body problem like this fucking shit. And yes, changing one changes the end result, but we're not talking about a specific case. We're talking about a general case here, where we can abstract everything down to those few factors.

It does have momentum applied to it and gravity which gives it an arc path instead of the magic used to propel it forward. It wouldn't hit the target since no advanced planning was used to make sure the boulder hit. It would land inside the Anti-magic field, but the location of it impacting would not be the intended due to the forces acting upon it being different than when it started.

Again, momentum isn't something that makes an object go. Momentum is something that a moving object innately has.

3. Knowing whether they planned or not is an unknown. I assume that they didn't since the conversation was not going into hypothetical situations. The only known was guy throws a boulder at a person in a anti-magic field using magic. Rolling would work. Gravity is your friend in that case.

It's not an unknown. We were specifically talking about getting around a magic field by magically flingly rocks at it. So the person doing this is definitely planning to hit something and would compensate accordingly.

I know I shouldn't post this. Because it's full of vitriol and insults that may make people hit the report moderator button. But I'm going to post it anyways, because physics is serious business and it'll make me feel a lot better. Just don't take it the wrong way, Sanure. I don't hate you or anything, I just want to crack open your head with a rusty spoon and fill it with useful knowledge. Even if it doesn't seem that way.

[Sanure]

If anyone reports Usec for that post, I will report the reporter. I find this in no way as insulting as it seems. In fact, I don't see this as an argument but as a debate.

@USEC, I do not mind Vitrol and Insults. In fact, I believe they make debates more interesting, since it means that people understand the points being made a little better and gives you a look into the feelings a person pores into the debate.

Before I begin, I suck at explaining. It is something I should work on.

Anyways,

Spoiler: Physics Debate Yada Yada (click to show/hide)

1. What I was stating was that You, the thrower, are the greater force acting upon the rock. Gravity is always present and will pull the rock down with time, however the forces you have applied to the rock are greater than gravity at the moment of throwing. . Also I worded the last part of my statement wrong. That was on me.

2. I think we agree on that then. Again, I worded that part wrong again.

3. I think we agree on that as well, since that was what I stated. When I mentioned a change in direction, I was describing a stronger opposing force acting upon the object. This would cause a change in direction.

4. I concede that point. I should have explained better.

5. I...What?

6. I concede that point as well, I should have used the correct terminology.

7. I concede this point as well.

Just don't take it the wrong way, Sanure. I don't hate you or anything, I just want to crack open your head with a rusty spoon and fill it with useful knowledge. Even if it doesn't seem that way.

Shit~ I never take things the wrong way

[USEC_OFFICER]

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Actually, I have nothing else to object to. My only objection is the stronger opposing force parts, because they're rather misleading _{forces are always additive. But they can add up to nothing}, but everything else looks good I suppose. Pleasure yelling at you(?).

[Sanure]

Indeed. I look forward to future debates

I do agree that Forces are additive. Stronger opposing forces are misleading. One of my professors made a Rolling a boulder down a hill into a four layer 30ft high stone wall analogy. I dunno though.

[kj1225]

Okay, I'll get things done... in the next three days.

[Sanure]

Take your time Kj. We can wait patiently

[~Neri]

I find it fun so fars~ So yesh~ We can wait~

[Harbingerjm]

I find it fun so fars~

Playing Vorin is remarkably fun.

[Lenglon]

kj? you ok?

[kj1225]

Yeah, started school and yesterday was my birth day. Been pretty busy.

[~Neri]

Happy cakeday~