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[forsaken1111]

Note to self: if I ever make a game kickstarter, no fucking stretch goals.

Or... implement the stretch goals after you finish the basic product.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Note to self: if I ever make a game kickstarter, no fucking stretch goals.

Then it will likely not be finished, from my experience.

[Xantalos]

In hindsight it may have been a better move to release the unupgraded thing they had before the Kickstarter (properly arted, obviously) and then use the funds from that to put all those cool features into a sequel, so the fans get their game and the devs get to work on a cool thing without all this kerfuffle.

But hindsight 20/20 and all that.

[ChairmanPoo]

 At this point they could have released the original, non-stretch version, if it was operational at all, and  leave in limbo the stretch goals, rather than the whole project, if only to avoid e-hatred.

That is, they could have done this if the claims of having an almost ready product were true. Given the status of affairs, it sounds more and more likely that it was all zezenako gorotz from day one. I'm going to be charitable and say that maybe they overrated both how operational their original product was to begin with, and what kind of stretch goals were they actually able to pull off.

TBH, the whole TWS (and Cult before it. And Nekro, to a lesser extent -insofar Nekro is actually playable, despite the drama surrounding it's removal from Steam-) experience serves as a reminder of why it's a good idea to stay clear of kickstarters, specially KS done by amateurs/unknowns (these should be avoided like the plague, in fact). Even if it starts in good faith odds are the whole thing will go down in flames

[nenjin]

I don't know if that's fair. You just gotta be careful around ambitious Kickstarters. If it sounds hard to pull off, it probably is. I learned my lesson with Net Gain in simply believing in starry-eyed enthusiasm and a decent looking mockup.

[Zangi]

More accurately, stay clear of kickstarters if you are not into gambling and/or expect a 'payoff' 100% of the time.

[Mephansteras]

I back kickstarters based off of what I would like to see succeed. A lot of them may not, for various reasons, but if it gets backed at least there is a chance. *shrug*

[Farce]

Aye, pay the guys attempting to make the cool things I want and such.

[SangerZonvolt]

Update from me: Thanks to Lapoleon I found out that if anyone visits my profile page over in the TWS forums it doesnīt even mark me as banned. This is very strange. Would you mind asking for me over there how that could happen and what they have to say about this? Also, I would ask you again to make my ban over there public if itīs been hidden this way.

Thanks for your help.

[Serenseven]

The forum software by default gives no visible indication when someone is banned.

I suppose I could set it up so that it does, but since everyone is convinced the game is dead, I don't see why I should expend the effort.

[forsaken1111]

The forum software by default gives no visible indication when someone is banned.

I suppose I could set it up so that it does, but since everyone is convinced the game is dead, I don't see why I should expend the effort.

with that kind of attitude it may as well be dead. Oh well

[Serenseven]

I'm not one of the developers. My "attitude" has no bearing on the project's eventual success or failure.

And if you had put up with the amount of bullsh*t I have over the past two years, you'd be bitter, too.

[forsaken1111]

If you're running the official forum then your attitude and work does have some impact on the project. I get the bitterness though. Need a new moderator?

[Serenseven]

Fenicks runs it. The other two moderators and I just assist. It only looked like I ran it because I'm generally much more active than the others.

Contrary to assertions earlier in this thread, I have not resigned the moderatorship. I'm just taking a break for a bit. Since I have a bunch of travel ahead of me this month, it would have happened anyway, even without the recent uproar.

[SangerZonvolt]

Contrary to assertions earlier in this thread, I have not resigned the moderatorship. I'm just taking a break for a bit. Since I have a bunch of travel ahead of me this month, it would have happened anyway, even without the recent uproar.

Guess I missunderstood you then. Because your wording made it seem like you would only go back to moderating once they showed some actual consistend gameplay, which I interpreted that you resign from your moderation work for now.

For everyone else: I can confirm that itīs no his fault the forum has gone bitter. He was supportive and neutral for a very long time as a moderator and has only gone bitter the last few weeks or so following events that werenīt his fault. He even acted as a messenger that got us some rare informations out of Josh when Josh stopped posting. Without him we would know a lot less.