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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

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<playerturn player="Zanzetkuken">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

Doo-doo-doo~

Sorry Maharadja, but that was simply too tempting for me to pass up, regardless of how I wanted to go about fulfilling my Wincons. Those floodplains should make an excellent addition to my nation.

Sidenote: So, I'm wanting to edit the ruleset for my Asian based game, but I can't create new graphics to represent Wood, Metal, or Void Mana, unfortunately. I can probably replace pegasi with elephants or somesuch fairly easily, but...I dunno.

I'd also like to know if there's a way I can create a building that acts as a unit during assaults on the city, and affects the behaviour of units besides itself, as well as the unit itself starting/staying only one tile in front of the rest of the units(I want to change the way Walls work, okay?). Ways to have magic/buffs that cancel each other out passively, or units that get big buffs against certain other kinds of units...knowing what all the specials do exactly would be nice as well(what does Charge and Chargebreak actually do?)). I think I can see how to make new buffs, but what are buff modifiers? I remember Vanigo mentioning them when he was talking about the order in which things resolve.

For the wall thing: Impossible without editing the source code.
For buffs that cancel each other out: Easily possible. Some buffs are higher priority then others (eg. blessing 2 overrides blessing 1). You could use this to create buffs that negate hostile buffs, or remove negative auras on your units.
You can make positive/negative auras and attack modifiers that only effect certain unit types, but there is currently no way to make attacks hurt a specific unit type more.

Buff Modifiers: Not quite what you mean by them, if you link Vanigo's post talking about them I'll try to explain what he means better.

Literally the only useful thing I can suggest do other than say that some of that will require access the source code, is what I think charge/break does. If a charging unit has moved before attacking, it gains a bonus to its Attack relative to it's Charge value. If a chargebreak unit is charged it both negates some or all of the charge bonus and I believe it also deals out of turn damage to the charging unit.

It'd be really nice to know how the attack/defense calculations worked, too, since I see all these 'but did no damage' or 1 or 2 damage, and then suddenly, like, 8.

A attack deals 1d'attack'-1d'defense' damage. If defense is equal to or greater then attack a attack deals no damage. This means that many attacks deal no damage and then can suddenly deal a huge amount of damage if both a high attack roll and very low defense roll is rolled at the same time. Magical attacks use magic attack and magic defense stats instead.

[Rolepgeek]

Ah. Interesting.

So higher attack becomes progressively less and less helpful, and even weak units can score hits on ridiculously tough ones through luck.

Thus the strategy of sheer overwhelming numbers could theoretically be viable. If you have enough of them.

So, which of the wall things is impossible? I want to see how I can make this work, if possible. Basically I'd like walls and the like to act as a shield for ranged units(melee units would sally forth, of course), and siege weapons would get bonuses to destroying them(they'd have high enough defenses and the like that doing so any other way would be more difficult). Or perhaps I could achieve the same thing by making it so it slows down enemy units significantly unless they can fly. (Cavalry not much use against walls)

[Varee]

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<playerturn player="Varee">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="25" y="35">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="gran"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="0">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="6">
      <building code="trnF"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="3" x="24" y="33">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders></playerturn>

RP If you attack northumbia, I will back stab you... Just a warning

[Evil Marahadja]

Rp if you take York I more or less have lost the game. Which means that I have nothing to loose. If you attack me I will let the Pics attack plunder and conquer my northern border. Making them stronger and more prone to challenge you. WHILE sending my army back to retake York and attacking your armies untill I am out of mone or soldiers.

So, yeah, its a bad move.

[notquitethere]

Spoiler: 622 AD (click to show/hide)

Ireland:

9 food used to gain 1 free population
9 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (7,25)
Tile (8,27) claimed
Tile (6,20) claimed


Mercia:

41 food used to gain 1 free population
41 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (25,27)
Farm built at (24,26)
Manchester grows to size 5
Training Field built in Birmingham
Axemen raised in Lincoln
Battle fought at (26,22):
   Coenwulf attacking (1 units)
   Northumbria army 12 defending (1 units)
   Spearmen (17) destroyed
   Attackers win


Northumbria:

Battle fought at (26,22):
   Coenwulf attacking (1 units)
   Northumbria army 12 defending (1 units)
   Spearmen (17) destroyed
   Attackers win
Eanred moves to (22,16)
Northmen moves to (21,16)
Pictland has razed your village on (23,15)!
Pictland has razed your village on (24,15)!


Wessex:

31 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (25,35)
Granary built in Southern Trek
Smithy built in Londinium
Training Field built in Winchester
Egbert moves to (24,34)


Wales:

Build Smithy in Lampeter failed: Building already present


Pictland:

52 food used to gain 1 free population
Hunter's Camp built at (23,9)
Mott Fergusa grows to size 3
Training Field built in Caern Michaels
Roving Band moves to (24,13)
Causantin has razed Northumbria's village on (23,15)!
Raiding Group has razed Northumbria's village on (24,15)!

Spoiler: Battle Reports (click to show/hide)

Battle fought at (26,22):
   Coenwulf attacking (1 units)
   Northumbria army 12 defending (1 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
Turn 4
Turn 5
   Spearmen (17) attacks Coenwulf but fails to do damage
Turn 6
   Coenwulf attacks Spearmen (17) but fails to do damage
   Spearmen (17) attacks Coenwulf but fails to do damage
Turn 7
   Coenwulf attacks Spearmen (17) for 6 damage
   Spearmen (17) attacks Coenwulf but fails to do damage
Turn 8
   Coenwulf attacks Spearmen (17) for 6 damage
   Spearmen (17) destroyed
   Attackers win

In 622 AD, Coenwulf marched into York. The pope would not like this, good kings fighting one another, but who could argue with such might? He slew the levy of spearmen, green boys to a one. The city was his for the taking...

Turn 9: 623AD

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Spoiler: Win Conditions (click to show/hide)

For the wincons below: a nation is considered defeated if it has no cities and no units and no reasonable chance of completing its wincon. Ireland is considered 'taken over' if 95% of its tiles are owned by one player.

Irish Kingdom: Take over the whole of Ireland 
Mercia: Defeat the Anglo-Saxon nations (Northumbria, Wessex) OR Defeat the Britons (Picts/Welsh/Irish).
Wessex: Hold Winchester until the Danes come. You can lose and retake it, but if it's ever destroyed or if it's owned by a foreign nation in 665AD, you'll lose.
Wales: Survive until the Danes come. This means 'have at least one Welsh territory and one Welsh unit alive' in 665 AD.
Pictland: Defeat the Anglo-Saxon Nations OR take over Ireland
Northumberland: Defeat the Picts OR take over Ireland

The game can end prematurely if one faction wipes out all other factions, which is also considered a win. Win conditions are only checked in 665 AD and you only can win if you're not defeated.

Mercia - Rolepg
Wessex - Varee
Northumbria - Evil Marahadja
Wales - Zanz
Ireland - Lemon10
Pictland - Kashyyk


Pro tip: combining your units into large armies is a great way to maximise your chance of victory.

[Varee]

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<playerturn player="Varee">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="29" y="36">
      <cityname>Shorine</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="24" y="35">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="6">
      <unittype code="spear"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="0">
      <building code="trnF"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="trnF"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="4" x="28" y="33">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="3" x="24" y="34">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders></playerturn>

[Kashyyk]

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<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="22" y="10">
      <improvement code="horseI"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="22" y="9">
      <improvement code="hunt"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="16"/>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="9" x="23" y="15">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="10" x="24" y="15">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="11" x="24" y="13">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

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<playerturn player="Zanzetkuken">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="15" y="37"/>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="16" y="37">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="trnF"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="7">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

I get the feeling that this map was balanced too well, what with giving two players tier 3 units at the start (swordsman) when others only have tier 1's and those same players now have at least two pop 5 cities.

[Varee]

I have a feeling certain player need to team up ie me and north as we are both anglosaxxon?>

[notquitethere]

The idea is for there to be imbalances in territory and alignments, but make some wincons harder to achieve than other, encouraging alignments and political backdeals etc. We'll see if that's successful or not.

[lemon10]

Spoiler: Ireland turn 9 (click to show/hide)

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<playerturn player="Lemon10">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="5" y="26"/>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="7" y="27">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="6" y="19"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders/>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

Spoiler: Ireland Turn 10 (click to show/hide)

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<playerturn player="Lemon10">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="4" y="27"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="10" y="18"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="14"/>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

Ah. Interesting.

So higher attack becomes progressively less and less helpful, and even weak units can score hits on ridiculously tough ones through luck.

Thus the strategy of sheer overwhelming numbers could theoretically be viable. If you have enough of them.

So, which of the wall things is impossible? I want to see how I can make this work, if possible. Basically I'd like walls and the like to act as a shield for ranged units(melee units would sally forth, of course), and siege weapons would get bonuses to destroying them(they'd have high enough defenses and the like that doing so any other way would be more difficult). Or perhaps I could achieve the same thing by making it so it slows down enemy units significantly unless they can fly. (Cavalry not much use against walls)

Well, a unit with twice as much attack and defense is far more then twice as powerful, so while mass numbers work, it can take a huge number of lower tech units to overpower stronger ones (eg. a dozen spearmen would be massacred by two upgraded mithril units).

As for the wall thing: You cannot have a building that has any effect on the battle besides adding a simple defensive modifier. The other stuff you want the wall to do (stop all friendly ranged units from passing it, starting in the middle of the field despite never moving) is even more impossible. Modding the source code could work though.

[Rolepgeek]

I have a feeling certain player need to team up ie me and north as we are both anglosaxxon?>

Good luck with that, Wessex. Both you and Northumbria have your units too far away to mount an effective attack before I can build up a response. You'll only send your King to his death by attacking me.

As well, Lemon; that's partially because of the amount of health such a unit would have. A swordsman versus four or so spearmen would probably be an even fight. The only reason such units might be considered to be 'more than twice as powerful' is because weaker units can get torn apart more quickly and thus have some of their attack power weakened. If none of the spearmen died until all of the spearmen died(assuming minimal wasted damage), it would be a very different story.

[lemon10]

I have a feeling certain player need to team up ie me and north as we are both anglosaxxon?>

Good luck with that, Wessex. Both you and Northumbria have your units too far away to mount an effective attack before I can build up a response. You'll only send your King to his death by attacking me.

As well, Lemon; that's partially because of the amount of health such a unit would have. A swordsman versus four or so spearmen would probably be an even fight. The only reason such units might be considered to be 'more than twice as powerful' is because weaker units can get torn apart more quickly and thus have some of their attack power weakened. If none of the spearmen died until all of the spearmen died(assuming minimal wasted damage), it would be a very different story.

*Shrugs*. Yeah, if everything had more health then there would be less of a difference between higher and lower tier units. There are few factors that make units with higher stats better then lower ones, especially given that higher tier units usually have better of every single stat then lower tier ones.

[Evil Marahadja]

I have a feeling certain player need to team up ie me and north as we are both anglosaxxon?>

Good luck with that, Wessex. Both you and Northumbria have your units too far away to mount an effective attack before I can build up a response. You'll only send your King to his death by attacking me.

Well. Like I said, I have no real chance If I loose my main city. So it will be worth sending all my units down to wreck as much havoc as possible in your lands. Even if you ultimately win, it will be a breese for Scotland to attack you while your week. Especially since he can expand down south un-attacked.