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[Nerjin]

Also, I wouldn't figure you to be so in tune with such a miniscule rule considering the slack you're getting with the Palibard deal.

[Rolepgeek]

What, slack? Devoted Performer is specifically made about Paladin/Bards. If it wasn't there I wouldn't be trying for it.

I'm pointing out rules so people can take them into account, since the SRD isn't exactly the most 'hey look here' about that sort of thing.

Also, only thing that makes it miniscule is that it doesn't come up all that often.

Finally: I see you're well-versed in the Goblins comic universe. Though I don't see why he'd splat from it. Nor do I see why a commoner would do untrained labor(it just seems silly that so many do, I mean honestly), since they almost all have enough skill points to put 4 ranks into Craft or Profession.

[Nerjin]

What, slack? Devoted Performer is specifically made about Paladin/Bards. If it wasn't there I wouldn't be trying for it.

Oh right. That. I only have the first handbook and won't download others due to moral concerns on my part.

I'm pointing out rules so people can take them into account, since the SRD isn't exactly the most 'hey look here' about that sort of thing.

That it is not. That it is not.

Also, only thing that makes it miniscule is that it doesn't come up all that often.

I suppose. I don't know however. I still think we should just assume he already did that. Old age and Velnerable I could see pointing it out. But at middle age? It's essentially not an issue at all.

Finally: I see you're well-versed in the Goblins comic universe. Though I don't see why he'd splat from it.

Not really...

Nor do I see why a commoner would do untrained labor(it just seems silly that so many do, I mean honestly)

Because they find it more fulfilling? Because in real life nobody minmaxes?

since they almost all have enough skill points to put 4 ranks into Craft or Profession.

Profession (Unskilled Labor) is my favorite thing to put points into. I just made Sacha a Angler because we need to eat.

[Rolepgeek]

What, slack? Devoted Performer is specifically made about Paladin/Bards. If it wasn't there I wouldn't be trying for it.

Oh right. That. I only have the first handbook and won't download others due to moral concerns on my part.

There's a site with the stuff, you know. You don't even have to download anything. Not like they still print the 3.5 books anyway.

Nor do I see why a commoner would do untrained labor(it just seems silly that so many do, I mean honestly)

Because they find it more fulfilling? Because in real life nobody minmaxes?

Like hell they don't. I'll have you know that I took a class this very year specifically about choosing a career that suited my strengths and didn't require my weaknesses.

Plus, pretty sure the whole 'trying to make more money' thing could be considered that.

since they almost all have enough skill points to put 4 ranks into Craft or Profession.

Profession (Unskilled Labor) is my favorite thing to put points into. I just made Sacha a Angler because we need to eat.

So...very redundant...and oxymoronic...you have a skill called "Unskilled X"...

...

[Nerjin]

What, slack? Devoted Performer is specifically made about Paladin/Bards. If it wasn't there I wouldn't be trying for it.

Oh right. That. I only have the first handbook and won't download others due to moral concerns on my part.

There's a site with the stuff, you know. You don't even have to download anything. Not like they still print the 3.5 books anyway.

Indeed. Also, you have to become Lawful good right? I just read the feat. You can gain Bard levels while being Lawful now, but you have to be Lawful Good to use the Paladin stuff right?

Nor do I see why a commoner would do untrained labor(it just seems silly that so many do, I mean honestly)

Because they find it more fulfilling? Because in real life nobody minmaxes?

Like hell they don't. I'll have you know that I took a class this very year specifically about choosing a career that suited my strengths and didn't require my weaknesses.

Plus, pretty sure the whole 'trying to make more money' thing could be considered that.

Sheesh, you're just like Giglamesh or something. "I want to have good stats so I can do my part to help the team. Waaah waaah waaaaaaaah". Be like me. Assign stuff randomly. Do it for fun! Responsibility is for narcs.

since they almost all have enough skill points to put 4 ranks into Craft or Profession.

Profession (Unskilled Labor) is my favorite thing to put points into. I just made Sacha a Angler because we need to eat.

So...very redundant...and oxymoronic...you have a skill called "Unskilled X"...

...

I've put fourteen ranks into Profession (Unskilled Labor). I am very skilled at Unskilled Labor. It's a thing. Deal with it.

[Nerjin]

Also: Are Ness and Gig just going to show up whenever or...?

We sorta can't continue until the two of you show up.

[Flying Dice]

Thing is, in practical terms, there's no such thing as "unskilled" labor. Every task you can perform is performed more efficiently and better with the benefit of skill and experience, no matter how simple.

Also this.

Also: Are Ness and Gig just going to show up whenever or...?

We sorta can't continue until the two of you show up.

[Rolepgeek]

It says I still have to be, implying I had to be in the first place for that section to apply.

I can rules-lawyer just as good as you, Nerjin.

Meh. I like my characters competent as well as interesting. Half the reason I like playing sneaky archetypes; they can be skillmonkeys and whatnot without being overpowered, but I don't need to do ludicrously unrealistic shit in order to make them viable.

Still not sure if you say you're skilled at being unskilled. Kinda defeats the point. :p

Hey, though: I ain't makin' Ness to be OP. Paladin/bards aren't exactly the most powerful builds, you know. And I don't even have Dragonfire Inspiration. Then again, I'm still not going to take toughness....ever....

I was just kinda waitin' for Mr. DM to give the go-ahead for me to go ahead.

[Nerjin]

It says I still have to be, implying I had to be in the first place for that section to apply.

I can rules-lawyer just as good as you, Nerjin.

Except for the house rule section I suppose. I think I recall Mr. DM saying you can be a Chaotic Good palidin. In most cases you can't take a level in paladin without being LG.

Meh. I like my characters competent as well as interesting. Half the reason I like playing sneaky archetypes; they can be skillmonkeys and whatnot without being overpowered, but I don't need to do ludicrously unrealistic shit in order to make them viable.

Exactly!

Still not sure if you say you're skilled at being unskilled. Kinda defeats the point. :p

Unskilled labor is just stuff you don't have to get a bunch of training to do I guess? I dunno.

Hey, though: I ain't makin' Ness to be OP. Paladin/bards aren't exactly the most powerful builds, you know. And I don't even have Dragonfire Inspiration. Then again, I'm still not going to take toughness....ever....

Is something wrong with toughness?

I was just kinda waitin' for Mr. DM to give the go-ahead for me to go ahead.

Well I guess someone, I'm not naming names, should go get them or something?

[Tawa]

Y'all better get back on the respect train.

Ness and Gig: they have slept in today.

Age: Considering I'm doing Point Buy, we can assume Darwyn's stats have already declined to their current state. Also, as for age, it is as a result of the following.

Spoiler: Semi-convoluted, BE WARNED (click to show/hide)

Darwyn was once considered the wisest on the island, and is known by all for it. He is an old friend of Oleg's, who famously helped keep wild animals from the forest at bay. Everybody else has been close since childhood, and they have come to befriend Oleg and Darwyn through their local fame.

Unskilled Labor: Beware that unskilled work pays very badly.

[Rolepgeek]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm
Also a legitimate thing. Even SRD.

As for toughness...well...you get 3 hp. Once. At the cost of a feat. Which you get a total of about 7-8 of, tops, So you kinda need to make them count. Toughness doesn't. That said, it's sometimes a feat tax...but I believe it's generally regarded as the worst feat in the game. Disregarding silly things like Skill Focus: Speak Language, that is.

[Sirus]

Is Skill Focus: Speak Language even a thing? Back before I gave myself extra INT to give myself all the languages I'd need, I went hunting for a feat that would give me a language (and was going to take a fault to pay for it), but came up unsuccessful. Of course I was mostly skimming and I'd rather just be smarter to begin with, but now I'm curious.

Anyhoo, I think the whole age progression thing is kinda stupid. If D&D is meant to be a roleplaying game, then it seems logical that someone might want to roleplay a tough old badass warrior without worrying about his STR and DEX being lower than the resident squishy mage who happens to be a couple of decades younger. I'd rather do away with it entirely, considering this is a setting where disease and injury aren't quite the threats they would have been in real life around the same technology level thanks to the abundance of healing magic. Plus, if my understanding is correct, many characters in a long-running campaign where age becomes a factor become essentially immortal as they rise in level and find amazing magical items anyway.

Look, to avoid issues I'll drop Darwyn's age to 33. Still among, if not the oldest, still old enough to be considered an uncle, and no more worrying and fussing about this age thing that, again, I'd sooner houserule away.
If age is really going to matter, then Gig will have to significantly age-up his gnome. According to the chart Rolep linked earlier gnomes reach adulthood when they turn 40. We've got the equivalent of an older toddler running around with us.

[Harbingerjm]

Is Skill Focus: Speak Language even a thing? Back before I gave myself extra INT to give myself all the languages I'd need, I went hunting for a feat that would give me a language (and was going to take a fault to pay for it), but came up unsuccessful. Of course I was mostly skimming and I'd rather just be smarter to begin with, but now I'm curious.

Technically, there's nothing saying you can't take Skill Focus (Speak Language). It just happens to be completely useless, since you never make Speak Language checks. If you want to spend a feat to get extra languages, you either spend a feat on Master Linguist if you already speak 4 languages, a feat on Open Minded for 5 skill points to spend on Speak Language, or, if you're epic and speak 5 languages already, a feat on Polyglot.

[GiglameshDespair]

Am I just being dumb? I can't find the amount of starting gold for a wizard in this thread. Hmm. Aside from that, he's done.

[Nerjin]

I forgot to mention cash. Erm... Let's go with 200 for Paladins, Fighters, and Rangers, 150 for Clerics, Rouges, and Bards, 100 even for Barbarians, Sorcerers and Wizards, and 75 for Monks and Druids.

Also, if your cleric is "abrasive", you might like to take the Abrasive trait from Unearthed Arcana.

There ya go.

And I like toughness... It's my personal favorite feat.