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[Aelig]

I think you should live with it, it's not impairing you too much and beneficial mutations are sometimes not so beneficial... I did pand with something like 7 muts including hp -10%, shoutitis and no regen when enemy are near.

I'm running a VpEn of Dithmenos, it's pretty easy for now because everything is alive (but me) and have low MR, but I'm pretty sure I will die shortly after orc... On the plus side I probably got the easiest lair branches for that character (snake and swamp) but I just don't know how to play the sneak game.

Also, does anyone know if the bonus damage from your weapon is taken in account in the stabbing formula or just the base damage?

[Graven]

From browsing the bots and the wiki, stabbing increases, I quote, "your damage from dam to (dam+bonus)*mult"

What exactly "your damage" constitutes, is beyond me.

My internet is slow as molasses, since I'm back home for the holidays. The game also appears to really want me to cast Tornado and go for extended, flooding me with rings of wizardry, staves of air and books with tornado in it, but I think I'll just do a quick and dirty 5-rune win, and then perhaps roll an Ice Elementalist of some sort and give that a try at extended. It does feel like a waste, but I've lost enough dudes in extended.

Of course odds are high that I won't even win, but getting a Tengu Warper of Sif so far is already a win for me, so 

edit VVV 

[monk12]

YASD

That is all

[Dr Feelgood]

Nice win! I briefly spectated your game while you were in the depths. Most items now auto-id when worn/used. And you can still apport the Orb, but it may take a few tries.

[Graven]

Holy crab, Zot is scary when you have horrible resists and health! Draconians are a menace and I nearly died a lot more than I expected. 4 runes, zot1-4 cleared.

Decided to train a bit of Air skill just for fun, after I'd gotten all my defensive skills to 20.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-15-g6b16f67 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Spry (Tengu Warper)                  Turns: 74552, Time: 04:54:02

HP 171/171 (174) AC 28     Str 17      XL: 26   Next: 23%
MP  38/38        EV 31     Int 21      God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 5721        SH 26     Dex 21      Spells:  9 memorised, 20 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     Y - +7 demon trident (flame)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     G - +8 scale mail "Ciohatt" {rF+ Dam+5 SInv}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     d - -2 shield {AC+3}
rPois  .         rCorr    +     F - +1 hat {MR+}
rElec  .         rRot     .     j - +0 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     C - +0 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut   .         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  +         Stasis   .     x - amulet of the gourmand
MR     +++..                    p - ring of Suicidal Tendencies {MR+ Str+4 Dex+1}
                                s - +3,+7 ring of slaying

@: repel missiles, flying, drained, quick, extremely resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, beak, talons 3, repulsion field 1, thin metallic
scales 1, slow metabolism 1
a: Stop Flying, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, slimy, gossamer


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and seen 58 of its levels.
You have also visited: Wizlab.

You have collected 6932 gold pieces.
You have spent 1211 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 Y - a +7,+7 demon trident of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 d - a -2 shield of protection (worn)
 j - a +0 cloak of preservation (worn)
 t - a fire dragon armour
 B - a -4 cloak of poison resistance
 C - a +0 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 F - a +1 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 G - the +8 scale mail "Ciohatt" (worn) {rF+ Dam+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
   It enhances your eyesight.
Magical devices
 f - a wand of disintegration (15)
 k - a wand of teleportation (5)
 z - a wand of cold {zapped: 1}
 E - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 O - a wand of invisibility
 T - a wand of digging
Comestibles
 o - 13 pears
 v - 32 sultanas
 w - 9 apples
 A - 4 chokos
 L - 10 bread rations
 M - 4 meat rations
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of teleportation
 g - a scroll of fear
 h - a scroll of identify
 i - 12 scrolls of enchant armour
 m - a scroll of fog
 I - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 J - a scroll of magic mapping
 N - 2 scrolls of recharging
 W - a scroll of vulnerability
Jewellery
 l - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 p - the ring of Suicidal Tendencies (right hand) {MR+ Str+4 Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
 r - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 s - a +3,+7 ring of slaying (left hand)
 x - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 D - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 K - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Q - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 U - an uncursed amulet of conservation
Potions
 c - 2 potions of magic
 e - a potion of cure mutation
 q - a potion of restore abilities
 u - 4 potions of curing
 V - a potion of brilliance
 Z - a potion of heal wounds
Books
 R - a book of the Warp   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Control Teleport                   Charms/Translocation         4
   Phase Shift                        Translocation                5
   Warp Weapon                        Charms/Translocation         5
   Summon Forest                      Summoning/Translocation      5
   Dispersal                          Translocation                6
   Controlled Blink                   Translocation                7
   Disjunction                        Translocation                8
Miscellaneous
 b - a fan of gales (inert)
 P - a lamp of fire
 S - a fan of gales
 X - a fan of gales


   Skills:
 - Level 20.0(18.4) Fighting
 - Level 14.0(12.6) Polearms
 - Level 1.1(0.1) Throwing
 - Level 20.0(18.4) Armour
 - Level 20.0(18.4) Dodging
 - Level 15.0(13.5) Shields
 - Level 8.3(7.0) Spellcasting
 - Level 16.0(14.5) Charms
 - Level 2.4(1.3) Translocations
 + Level 19.9(18.3) Air Magic


You have 20 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           ##........   12%         1    None
b - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          2    None
c - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #####.....   2%          3    #......
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          17%         2    None
e - Infusion              Chrm           ######       1%          1    None
f - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #####...     2%          3    #......
g - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #.......     21%         1    None
h - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None
i - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     10%         6    ######.


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (1/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:3        Zot (4/5) Depths:5
 Depths (5/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:7 !   D:10 %   D:11 [   D:12 ([   Orc:1 ?   Orc:4 (:*[   Elf:1 !}*
Vaults:2 ([?   Vaults:3 (   Depths:3 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:5
Trove: Depths:5 (give 5 potions of haste)

Annotations:
D:6 CrazyArbalest's ghost, experienced DsHu
D:11 MDvedh's ghost, powerful MiBe
Orc:4 Snorg
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:4 exclusion: hydra
Lair:6 exclusion: hydra


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can fly continuously.
You have a beak for a mouth.
You have claws for feet.
You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2).
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2).
You have a slow metabolism.
I still sort of want to try extended on this guy, since Tornado is the best spell, but my resists are balls. I haven't cleared Elf yet, so I could get something nice there. Also there's a trove that wants 5 potions of haste, which I'm perfectly willing to give away. Once I collect the bloody things, that is.

Debating whether to grab Abyss and win, or ditch stupid-ass Sif, get Oka or Kiku [she still gives torment protection, doesn't she? Hellfire is my primary concern, but torment is going to be a horrible threat too]

If I decide to go extended, I'd have to clear Elf and Crypt in the hope of getting better resists. I don't want to ditch my ring of slaying, since stuff's pretty much melting right now, but if I go extended, I might have no choice.

Also I have 12 scrolls of enchant armour, and I'm wondering whether I should dump them on a fire dragon armour. Balls of fire are going to be, well, balls. The -rC wouldn't be a problem in end-game, but for extended - no way.

[tompliss]

I have never played with tornado, so question : you won't need Sif's mana reg for extended if you go for it, right ?

Because Sif gifted you spells already, so she only gives you miscast resist (which you don't need with 20air/16charm) and mana, so ...

On the other hand, you would switch to Oka for equipement ?
I mean, 5 combat apt is good at high level because 20->25 are expensive in XP, but Finesse won't give you much as you have Haste. So is it for the gifts ? I mean, you could get better armor (that would solve your rF problem), but it may not be the best choice ...
Kiku always has his rTorment, and it's clear that you don't have spells duplicating his abilities.

[Graven]

Uh, replace Oka with TSO. No idea why that happened ._.

So here's where we stand now:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-15-g6b16f67 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Meteorologist (Tengu Warper)         Turns: 82363, Time: 05:36:49

HP 155/172 (179) AC 29     Str 17      XL: 27
MP  41/41        EV 31     Int 19 (22) God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 8079        SH 27     Dex 21      Spells: 10 memorised, 17 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     Y - +7 demon trident (flame)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     G - +8 scale mail "Ciohatt" {rF+ Dam+5 SInv}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     d - -2 shield {AC+3}
rPois  .         rCorr    +     F - +1 hat {MR+}
rElec  .         rRot     .     j - +0 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     C - +0 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut   +         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     D - amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++++.                    p - ring of Suicidal Tendencies {MR+ Str+4 Dex+1}
                                s - +3,+7 ring of slaying

@: flying, quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, beak, talons 3, thin metallic scales 1
a: Stop Flying, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion
}: 5/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, gossamer


You are on level 2 of the Depths.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and seen 61 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Wizlab.

You have collected 9537 gold pieces.
You have spent 1458 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 Y - a +7,+7 demon trident of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 d - a -2 shield of protection (worn)
 j - a +0 cloak of preservation (worn)
 B - a -4 cloak of poison resistance
 C - a +0 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 F - a +1 hat of magic resistance (worn)
 G - the +8 scale mail "Ciohatt" (worn) {rF+ Dam+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
   It enhances your eyesight.
Magical devices
 e - a wand of frost {zapped: 1}
 f - a wand of disintegration (10)
 k - a wand of teleportation (5)
 E - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 T - a wand of digging (9)
Comestibles
 o - 15 pears
 w - 10 apples
 A - 5 chokos
 L - 13 bread rations
 M - 3 meat rations
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of blinking
 h - 3 scrolls of identify
 m - 2 scrolls of fog
 t - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 I - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 J - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 N - a scroll of recharging
Jewellery
 l - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 p - the ring of Suicidal Tendencies (right hand) {MR+ Str+4 Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
 r - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 s - a +3,+7 ring of slaying (left hand)
 x - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 z - the amulet "Skim" {rCorr Dex+4 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Abyss)   
   
   [amulet of resist corrosion]
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 D - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 H - the ring of Zoelaeca {rC++ Int+3 Acc+3}
   (You took it off an ironheart preserver on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 K - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Q - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 U - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 Z - the ring "Cuni" {+Fly AC+2 Int+4 Stlth++ Curse}
   (You took it off a vault warden on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It lets you fly.
   It may recurse itself when equipped.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Potions
 c - 2 potions of magic
 g - 2 potions of brilliance
 i - a potion of cure mutation
 q - 3 potions of restore abilities
 u - 2 potions of curing
 v - a potion of haste
 V - 2 potions of heal wounds
Magical staves
 R - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Miscellaneous
 b - a fan of gales
 O - a phial of floods
 S - a fan of gales
 X - a fan of gales
Rods
 P - a +9 rod of ignition (14/14)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)


   Skills:
 - Level 20.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Polearms
 - Level 1.1 Throwing
 - Level 20.0 Armour
 - Level 20.0 Dodging
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 + Level 10.8 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.0 Charms
 - Level 2.4 Translocations
 O Level 27 Air Magic


You have 17 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           ###.......   4%          1    None
b - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          2    None
c - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #####.....   1%          3    None
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          8%          2    None
e - Infusion              Chrm           ######       0%          1    None
f - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #####...     1%          3    None
g - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ##......     12%         1    None
h - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       0%          2    None
i - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     2%          6    ######.
j - Tornado               Air            #######...   24%         9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:3        Zot (4/5) Depths:5
 Depths (5/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:7 !   D:10 %   D:11 [   D:12 ([   Orc:1 ?   Orc:4 (:*[   Elf:1 !}*
Elf:3 *   Vaults:2 ([?   Vaults:3 (   Depths:3 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:5
Trove: Depths:5 (give 5 potions of haste)

Annotations:
D:6 CrazyArbalest's ghost, experienced DsHu
D:11 MDvedh's ghost, powerful MiBe
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:4 exclusion: hydra
Lair:6 exclusion: hydra


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can fly continuously.
You have a beak for a mouth.
You have claws for feet.
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2).

9% failure chance with the staff of wizardry, presumably the same with a ring of wizardry. A rC++ ring, a possible rF++ Fire Dragon Armour. No rElec.

Really don't want to give up on my slaying, but I don't see a way to do that unless I get a grand randart amulet and go TSO -> Zin, since while I have a ton of cure Mut, they most certainly have more cause Mut and by they I mean all the demons of hell and pan.

I don't also want to give up on my mR+ randart ring - abyssing isn't a danger anymore, but paralysis certainly is, and there's no way in hell I'd remember to switch back to the ring every time I fight a random Pan lord.

Hmmm.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-15-g6b16f67 (webtiles) character file.

2787918 Gravenous the Meteorologist (level 27, 164/172 (179) HPs)
             Began as a Tengu Warper on Apr 14, 2014.
             Was the Champion of Sif Muna.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 5 runes on Apr 18, 2014!
             
             The game lasted 06:03:18 (86478 turns).

Gravenous the Meteorologist (Tengu Warper)         Turns: 86478, Time: 06:03:18

HP 164/172 (179) AC 34     Str 13      XL: 27
MP  28/32        EV 25     Int 25      God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 8101        SH 25     Dex 18      Spells: 10 memorised, 35 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .     Y - +7 demon trident (flame)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     i - +8 fire dragon armour
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     d - -2 shield {AC+3}
rPois  .         rCorr    +     F - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec  .         rRot     .     j - -1 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     C - +1 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut   +         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     D - amulet of resist mutation
MR     +++..                    H - ring of Zoelaeca {rC++ Int+3 Acc+3}
                                s - +3,+7 ring of slaying

@: repel missiles, flying, very slightly contaminated, quick, extremely
resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, beak, talons 3, thin metallic scales 1, clumsy 1,
deterioration 1, low mp 3, slow healing 1
a: Stop Flying, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 5/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Sif Muna.
Sif Muna was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 62 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You also visited: Wizlab.

You collected 9559 gold pieces.
You spent 1458 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 Y - a +7,+7 demon trident of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 d - a -2 shield of protection (worn)
 i - a +8 fire dragon armour (worn)
 j - a -1 cloak of preservation (worn)
 B - a +1 cloak of poison resistance
 C - a +1 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 F - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 e - a wand of frost (13)
 f - a wand of disintegration (10)
 k - a wand of teleportation (5)
 E - a wand of heal wounds (7)
 T - a wand of digging (8)
Comestibles
 o - 15 pears
 w - 9 apples
 A - 5 chokos
Scrolls
 h - 2 scrolls of identify
 m - a scroll of fog
 t - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 I - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 J - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 N - a scroll of recharging
Jewellery
 l - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 p - the ring of Suicidal Tendencies {MR+ Str+4 Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
 r - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 s - a +3,+7 ring of slaying (left hand)
 x - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 z - the amulet "Skim" {rCorr Dex+4 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Abyss)   
   
   [amulet of resist corrosion]
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 D - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 H - the ring of Zoelaeca (right hand) {rC++ Int+3 Acc+3}
   (You took it off an ironheart preserver on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
 K - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Q - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 U - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 Z - the ring "Cuni" {+Fly AC+2 Int+4 Stlth++ Curse}
   (You took it off a vault warden on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It lets you fly.
   It may recurse itself when equipped.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Potions
 c - 2 potions of magic
 g - 2 potions of brilliance
 q - a potion of restore abilities
 v - a potion of haste
Books
 a - a book of Flames   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Flame Tongue                       Conjuration/Fire             1
   Throw Flame                        Conjuration/Fire             2
   Conjure Flame                      Conjuration/Fire             3
   Inner Flame                        Hexes/Fire                   3
   Sticky Flame                       Conjuration/Fire             4
   Fireball                           Conjuration/Fire             5
 G - Sif Muna's Catalogue of Combat Magic
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 5 of the Realm of Zot)   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Shock                              Conjuration/Air              1
   Stone Arrow                        Conjuration/Earth            3
   Sticky Flame                       Conjuration/Fire             4
   Iskenderun's Mystic Blast          Conjuration                  4
   Bolt of Draining                   Conjuration/Necromancy       5
 W - a book of Frost   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Freeze                             Ice                          1
   Throw Frost                        Conjuration/Ice              2
   Ozocubu's Armour                   Charms/Ice                   3
   Throw Icicle                       Conjuration/Ice              4
   Summon Ice Beast                   Ice/Summoning                4
   Condensation Shield                Ice                          4
Magical staves
 R - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Miscellaneous
 b - a fan of gales
 O - a phial of floods
 S - a fan of gales
 X - a fan of gales
Rods
 P - a +9 rod of ignition (14/14)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)


   Skills:
 - Level 20.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Polearms
 - Level 1.1 Throwing
 - Level 20.0 Armour
 - Level 20.0 Dodging
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 + Level 19.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.0 Charms
 - Level 2.4 Translocations
 O Level 27 Air Magic


You had 35 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #####.....   1%          1    None
b - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      ######....   1%          2    None
c - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          2%          2    None
e - Infusion              Chrm           ######       0%          1    None
f - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ######..     1%          3    None
g - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ###.....     4%          1    None
h - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       0%          2    None
i - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     1%          6    ###....
j - Tornado               Air            ########..   14%         9    #######


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:3        Zot (5/5) Depths:5
 Depths (5/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:7 !   D:10 %   D:11 [   D:12 ([   Orc:1 ?   Orc:4 (:*[   Elf:1 !}*
Elf:3 *   Vaults:2 ([?   Vaults:3 (   Depths:3 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:5
Trove: Depths:5 (give 5 potions of haste)

Annotations:
D:11 MDvedh's ghost, powerful MiBe
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:4 exclusion: hydra
Lair:6 exclusion: hydra


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can fly continuously.
You have a beak for a mouth.
You have claws for feet.
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2).
You are clumsy. (Dex -2)
Your body is slowly deteriorating.
Your magical capacity is extremely low (-30% MP).
You heal slowly when monsters are visible.


Message History

Your spectral weapon burns the hellwing.
You impale the hellwing!! You burn the hellwing.
The hellwing is severely wounded.
Your spectral weapon hits the hellwing!
Your spectral weapon burns the hellwing!
You kill the hellwing!
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f - white imp
Aim: a white imp
You reach to attack! You impale the white imp!! You burn the white imp!
You kill the white imp!
No target in view!
No target in view!
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(L) Lair           (S) Swamp          (N) Spider Nest    (M) Slime Pits     
(V) Vaults         (B) Hall of Blades (C) Crypt          (H) Hell           
(Z) Zot            (U) Depths         
Where to? (Enter - D:1 @ (x,y), ? - help)
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
You have escaped!
Had 4 levels of skills drained while fighting a Pan lord in zot:5. Regained it all by the time I escaped.

This character definitely could've gone 15-rune, but like hell am I doing extended on a Tengu and the worst internet this side of smoke signals.

Also haha, I'm ahead of Elliptic right now

[Graven]

Yeah, it'd be pretty boss if we could be top 10. Fingers crossed!

Yeah, that SpMo is definitely... something I'd probably go for a ton of evocations and a couple of rods/phials, but you seem to be doing perfectly fine so far, so best of luck with that! If you can get blade hands, it would be a great boost of damage, but I assume survavibility's the bigger issue.

How did you even get that thing started, looks like proper bollocks considering Spriggan health and doing unarmed without auxiliary attacks?

I myself started a HeIE, since I haven't won an Ice Elementalist yet, and I want to see that new Glaciate thingy. I was planning on going Jiyva for the score, but remembered she shifts stats around and I'm not in the mood for that. So I went Fedhas. I even used the evolution ability, which means I've already gotten more mileage out of Fedhas than I did out of Sif in my entire previous game.

I also have a disgusting amount of slaying for this early in the game, and a god damn Pearl Dragon Armour. I plan on getting 11 strength and casting Glaciate in fancy white armour.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-17-gc0b17a5 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Carver (High Elf Ice Elementalist)   Turns: 26645, Time: 01:49:20

HP  99/99        AC  8     Str  8      XL: 14   Next: 41%
MP  33/33        EV 18     Int 23      God: Fedhas [******]
Gold 1414        SH 13     Dex 17      Spells:  4 memorised, 21 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     s - +0 falchion
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     F - +0 robe {rC+}
rNeg   + . .     Conserve .     o - -1 buckler
rPois  +         rCorr    .     Q - +0 helmet
rElec  .         rRot     .     H - +1 cloak "Taff" {Acc+4 Dam+3}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     I - +0 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Warding  +     (no boots)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     D - amulet of warding
MR     +....                    x - ring of see invisible
                                i - +0,+8 ring of slaying

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: large bone plates 1, poison resistance, screaming 1
a: Evolution, Sunlight, Growth, Reproduction, Rain, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Fedhas.
Fedhas is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer and Bailey.

You have collected 1414 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 g - a cursed +1,+2 cutlass of protection
 s - a +0,+0 falchion (weapon)
Armour
 o - a -1 buckler (worn)
 F - a +0 robe of cold resistance (worn)
 H - the +1 cloak "Taff" (worn) {Acc+4 Dam+3}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
 I - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 Q - a +0 helmet (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of magic darts
 u - a wand of digging {zapped: 2}
 v - a wand of disintegration (6)
Comestibles
 h - 2 rotting chunks of black mamba flesh
 q - 18 sultanas
 z - 4 cheeses
 C - 4 apples
 R - 4 bread rations
Scrolls
 t - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 B - a scroll of fog
 L - 4 scrolls of identify
 M - 2 scrolls of blinking
 N - 2 scrolls of recharging
 O - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
Jewellery
 b - a dented pearl amulet
 i - a +0,+8 ring of slaying (left hand)
 x - a ring of see invisible (right hand)
 D - an amulet of warding (around neck)
 E - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 P - a -3 ring of protection
Potions
 d - 6 potions of heal wounds
 j - 3 potions of curing
Miscellaneous
 n - a phial of floods (inert)


   Skills:
 - Level 10.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Long Blades
 - Level 8.1 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 + Level 9.1 Spellcasting
 * Level 12.2 Conjurations
 - Level 7.0 Charms
 * Level 11.4 Ice Magic


You have 21 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Freeze                Ice            ####         1%          1    None
b - Throw Frost           Conj/Ice       ######       1%          2    None
c - Throw Icicle          Conj/Ice       ######..     1%          4    ##.....
d - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ######....   1%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:10
 Shoals (0/5) Lair:4       Spider (0/5) Lair:5        Slime (0/6) Lair:8
   Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are partially covered in large bone plates (AC +2, SH +2).
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You occasionally shout uncontrollably.

[Ygdrad]

I'm a huge fan of roguelikes but despite seeing the thread near the top of the board multiple times I never tried it. How easy is it to get into? I don't mean difficulty-wise though, I hope this one is brutal, but I mean learning to play it. Think I can get a decent enough grasp of the game quickly enough to entertain the idea of running in the tournament as a beginner?

[Delta Foxtrot]

We don't really have a skill requirement here, if you like to play you can join in.

I guess Crawl is pretty easy to get into, as far as roguelikes are concerned. It has less hidden bullshit than a lot of games and you can always check the knowledge bot if you're in doubt about something. Certainly there are things to learn, like manual skill allocation and such while you're  just beginning to play for the first time. But overall I'd rate it as a fairly accessible one.

[Xgamer4]

I'm a huge fan of roguelikes but despite seeing the thread near the top of the board multiple times I never tried it. How easy is it to get into? I don't mean difficulty-wise though, I hope this one is brutal, but I mean learning to play it. Think I can get a decent enough grasp of the game quickly enough to entertain the idea of running in the tournament as a beginner?

Yes.

You probably want a longer answer, but I've gotta run soon so someone else will have to give you one. But if you have experience with other roguelikes (Nethack, ADOM, etc), you'll be right at home.

If you want in, let me know and I'll get you on the Miners. One of my team members left, and two more no-showed, so I've got an open three spots. You'll need to be quick, though. Clan changes end in ~19 hours.

EDIT: If you do take me up on that offer, put:

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at the very top of your rc file. (The options file - press 'o' after selection 0.14 if you're sshing in - I'm not sure about webtiles or other methodes). Then comment here with your username and I'll get you added when I see it.

[Delta Foxtrot]

Clan changes end in ~19 hours.

Oh, didn't know that. I guess I'll be changing the thread title again soon.

[monk12]

I'm a huge fan of roguelikes but despite seeing the thread near the top of the board multiple times I never tried it. How easy is it to get into? I don't mean difficulty-wise though, I hope this one is brutal, but I mean learning to play it. Think I can get a decent enough grasp of the game quickly enough to entertain the idea of running in the tournament as a beginner?

Not that I've played many roguelikes, but I can honestly say that this is the most accessible one I've played. The interface is well designed, almost all the information is out in the open, and there's very few "gotcha" deaths (though if you're not paying attention there's plenty of situations that can feel that way but were actually entirely avoidable.)

And now that I've said that I need to go stop dragging down the Bay12 Champions!

[monk12]

And now that I've said that I need to go stop dragging down the Bay12 Champions!

Yeah, get your finger out

I was sorry to see your previous game end. Vaults 5 really is a pain - I've lost two guys there myself so far this tournament. Hope your DEFE has better luck.

Such an unnecessary death, too. I literally came up with 8 things I could have done to not-die as soon as I was a corpse, and that was just looking at my inventory. On the plus side, the DEFE is going well; early Vehument altar, bunch of spellbooks, rPois, 2 rings of MP and an artifact dagger before I even hit Lair! I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, now.

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Psyche zaps a wand. The bolt of lightning hits you!
The bolt of lightning misses you. The bolt of lightning hits Psyche.
Psyche dies!

Well that went better than expected.

[Dr Feelgood]

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-17-gc0b17a5 (webtiles) character file.

11662665 DrFeelgood the Axe Maniac (level 27, 273/273 HPs)
             Began as a Hill Orc Berserker on Apr 15, 2014.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Apr 19, 2014!
             
             The game lasted 1day 04:51:08 (139463 turns).

DrFeelgood the Axe Maniac (Hill Orc Berserker) Turns: 139463, Time: 1, 04:51:08

HP 273/273       AC 40     Str 31      XL: 27
MP  47/47        EV 10     Int 12      God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 10163       SH  0     Dex 10      Spells: 14 memorised, 18 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     Q - +7,+8 executioner's axe (holy) {TSO}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     K - +8 fire dragon armour
rNeg   + + +     Conserve +     (no shield)
rPois  +         rCorr    +     B - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  .         rRot     .     i - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     C - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
rMut   +         Warding  .     J - +1 pair of boots
Saprov + . .     Stasis   .     D - amulet of Xom's Ringing Laughter {rMut +Blink rPois}
MR     ++...                    l - ring of protection from cold
                                A - ring of protection from cold

@: glowing, very resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: saprovore 1
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Blink
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped the Shining One.
The Shining One was exalted by your worship.
You were full.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 99 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 1 time, and saw 24 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 7 times.
You visited 1 Ziggurat, and saw 1 of its levels.
You also visited: Ossuary and Bailey.

You collected 14107 gold pieces.
You spent 3944 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 c - the +4,+4 Staff of Dispater
   (You took it off Dispater on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis)   
   
   The Shining One opposes the use of such an unholy item.
 g - the +7,+7 Sceptre of Asmodeus
   (You took it off Asmodeus on level 7 of Gehenna)   
   
   The Shining One opposes the use of such an unholy item.
 n - the +2,+8 battleaxe of Power {freeze, rElec rF+ Int+2 SInv}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 1 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
   opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 q - the +7,+4 scimitar of Sulphur {holy, rF+ Str+4 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
 t - the +2,+3 battleaxe "Dowuu" {speed, +Blink +Inv Dex+3}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you blink.
 Q - a +7,+8 executioner's axe of holy wrath (weapon) {TSO}
 R - the +6,+6 Sword of Cerebov {flame}
   (You took it off Cerebov in Pandemonium)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades
   are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters.
   
   The Shining One opposes the use of such an unholy item.
Armour
 i - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 B - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 C - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 F - the +7 faerie dragon armour {+Rage rElec Str+1 Curse}
   (You took it off the Enchantress on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you go berserk.
   It may recurse itself when equipped.
 J - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 K - a +8 fire dragon armour (worn)
 N - the +27 shield of the gong {rElec rN+ MR+ EV-5}
   (You took it off Donald on level 3 of the Shoals)   
   
   It affects your evasion (-5).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 y - a wand of teleportation (6)
 E - a wand of teleportation (4)
 G - a wand of digging (5)
 P - a wand of heal wounds (2)
Comestibles
 o - 2 royal jellies
 Y - 7 meat rations
Scrolls
 z - 2 scrolls of blinking
 M - 2 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of regeneration
 e - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 f - the ring of Charity {rPois Dex+4 Acc+3}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
   It protects you from poison.
 k - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 l - a ring of protection from cold (right hand)
 r - an uncursed amulet of rage
 s - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 w - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
 x - the amulet "Smastroca" {Stasis MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of stasis]
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 A - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
 D - the amulet of Xom's Ringing Laughter (around neck) {rMut +Blink rPois}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you blink.
 I - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 S - the ring "Cobimad" {rF+ Int+4}
   (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
 T - the ring "Puoma" {rPois Str+2 Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   [ring of poison resistance]
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
 U - the ring "Pizut" {rF+ Str+5 Int+1}
   (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
 W - the ring "Striur" {+Fly rN+ MP+9}
   (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you fly.
 Z - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
Potions
 a - a potion of resistance
 b - 5 potions of restore abilities
 h - 3 potions of might
 j - a potion of haste
 m - 5 potions of magic
 p - 10 potions of curing
 H - a potion of cure mutation
Miscellaneous
 u - the horn of Geryon
 L - a phial of floods (inert)
 O - a fan of gales
Rods
 v - a +0 rod of ignition (11/11)
   (You found it in Pandemonium)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 - Level 0.7 Long Blades
 O Level 27 Axes
   Level 0.3 Crossbows
 - Level 25.2 Armour
 - Level 4.2 Dodging
 - Level 10.2 Stealth
 - Level 15.4 Shields
 + Level 22.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.6 Hexes
 - Level 12.6 Charms
 - Level 14.0 Summonings
 * Level 16.7 Translocations
 - Level 0.2 Transmutations
 - Level 5.4 Ice Magic
 - Level 10.5 Air Magic
 - Level 1.7 Earth Magic
 - Level 12.3 Invocations
 - Level 15.5 Evocations


You had 18 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          3%          7    #######
b - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          4    None
c - Apportation           Tloc           ######....   0%          1    None
d - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #####...     0%          1    None
e - Infusion              Chrm           #####.       1%          1    None
f - Flight                Chrm/Air       #####.....   1%          3    None
g - Condensation Shield   Ice            ####......   3%          4    None
h - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ###.......   3%          2    None
i - Phase Shift           Tloc           ######....   1%          5    ###....
j - Dispersal             Tloc           ######....   1%          6    #####..
k - Summon Mana Viper     Hex/Summ       ####....     4%          5    ###....
l - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       #####.....   6%          6    #####..
m - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A          1%          5    ###....
n - Abjuration            Summ           #####.....   1%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (5/5) Lair:6
 Spider (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:2       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3
   Hell (1/1)                 Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (7/7) Hell
    Coc (7/7) Hell            Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) Depths:5
 Depths (5/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
Orc:3 (   Orc:4 [*(=   Elf:1 (   Shoals:4 }=([   Vaults:1 %

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:5
Trove: Vaults:3 (give wand of heal wounds (9))

Annotations:
Coc:7 Antaeus


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can tolerate rotten meat.


Message History

The Shining One accepts your kill.
You feel a little better.
No target in view!
There is a large open door here.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You're wearing all the rings you can. Remove which one?
(? for menu, Esc to cancel)
< or e - a ring of teleportation; > or l - a ring of protection from cold
You remove your ring of teleportation.
A - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel much better.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel much better.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel much better.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel much better.
You have escaped!
It's been a couple of years, since I last did a 15-rune game. I'm pretty rusty. Bay12 Champs are in 12th place. Maybe we can get in the Top 10 again.