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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2013, 10:13:29 pm »

I honestly don't know what's actually going on with me. I'd say I'm emotionally repressed but it's not that I don't FEEL the emotions. I just can't express them for others, just for myself. It's hard being married and not being able to share in my wife's happiness or sadness in a way she can see it.

Eye contact though? I can do that and keep it held for way, way longer than almost anyone can stand. Might be another reason I got that diagnosis since I tried to keep eye contact the whole time so they'd take me seriously, turns out that bothers people.
What you're describing sounds exactly like some of the primary symptoms of asperger's syndrome, they're also symptoms myself and several other forum members have described having.

There's a massive difference between not understanding social norms/cues and simply being unable to show how you're feeling without just saying it. I Know what other people are feeling, I can see it and understand it but I can't even force myself to copy it outwardly. It's annoying but I don't know if it's an actual problem someone can diagnose you with.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2013, 10:43:44 pm »

Thecard, I get the brain speed thing, in a sense, anyways. I have days where, mentally (and physically), I'm just alive. Everything clicks and I'm in some kind of two-step waltz ahead of everyone around me, and it's wonderful. And then I get slumps, sometimes for days at a time, where the color bleeds out of my mind and I'm left thinking, moving, interacting through a haze.
For me, it's like that when I'm with friends. I'm clever, witty, and able to figure out most problems I'm presented with fairly well. When I'm alone, I get the slump. Pretty much any time I feel really alone.

My brain doesn't exactly slow down though, ever. When I sleep, I kick and I talk. I'm incapable of getting quality rest because of this.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2013, 10:44:43 pm »

I saw someone mention the IB program. Whoever it was, I'm sorry for you.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2013, 10:53:57 pm »

I saw someone mention the IB program. Whoever it was, I'm sorry for you.
'Twas me. The subject matter was at a very enjoyable level, but all the work wasn't :P .
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2013, 11:59:29 pm »

There's a massive difference between not understanding social norms/cues and simply being unable to show how you're feeling without just saying it. I Know what other people are feeling, I can see it and understand it but I can't even force myself to copy it outwardly. It's annoying but I don't know if it's an actual problem someone can diagnose you with.
The symptom I'm talking about, is when there's a lack of an instinctual/intuitive understanding and reaction to social and emotional cues. It seriously sounds exactly like what you're describing.

Which is not the same thing as saying you're asperger's or anything, it just sounds like you're suffering from... basically the same issue.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2013, 12:02:21 am »

Executive dysfunction anyone? How do you deal with it? I need to know because i am getting late in school and sometimes not even out of bed because of it. I might get thrown out soon because of my high abscense.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2013, 06:25:40 am »

Executive dysfunction anyone? How do you deal with it? I need to know because i am getting late in school and sometimes not even out of bed because of it. I might get thrown out soon because of my high abscense.

Get your parents/siblings/friends to kick you out of the bed/walk you to school? I must say I don't really see where is the problem - you can't get out of bed by yourself, you don't want to get out of bed or something else?
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2013, 06:32:59 am »

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My legs of unequal length and pes cavus top you there.

On the topic of actual mental "disorders", the only thing I'm certain of is that I don't have ADHD (but them again, brain scans don't tell you much if you never use your brain :V).
I do show symptoms of antisocial disorder and some form of autism, but I chalk that up to me just hating people and being generally weird. Never got formally diagnosed and really don't care to.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2013, 07:33:39 am »

I've always been under the impression that ADD would be better named Attention Mismanagement Disorder (AMD), and then have a with/without hyperactivity modifier. Does that name jive with your experiences, those who are confirmed to have ADHD-(H|C|PI) ?

I have ADD (also known as ADHD without hyperactivity, because redundant contradictions cancel each other out, right?) and social awkwardness, primarily due to ~10 years of self-imposed isolationism.
I'm also pretty smart, and am in the 98 percentile with my IQ score. 46 percentile working memory though, which is kinda shitty because I don't retain as much as I could.

I think Bay12 has so many people with various social/mental disorders because we tend to utilize internet forums as a method of human interactions without the pesky social aspects.
The socially awkward by self-isolation and really smart bits sure sounds a lot like me. :D It's not like I was embittered by crummy social interactions (that I'm aware of affecting me, at least) or anything, so it's always been kinda weird.

In the interest of that "hopefully this won't just be us stating our problems for the record" sentiment expressed earlier, I have a question: Asperger's has become a popular (self-)diagnosis as of late. For those of you who have (someone in your life with) Asperger's, are there any novel lights you can shine on what that's like?

People find it attractive specifically because of the way it can excuse them being a jerk socially. I already know it's so much more than just being a jerk, but if there are any ways you can highlight exactly how the social part of Asperger's affects the one with it and those around them, differently than if the, er, "afflicted"* were just a jerk, I think that'd be helpful. Because the symptom lists you may find aren't always designed to explain it.

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As someone who has been diagnosed with it (well, something close enough, at least), I can say that it's a lot more complicated than being a jerk or asocial.

To put it simply, it lowers our ability to do anything remotely social or physical. It hits not only our social skills, but also our balance, spatial awareness, hand-eye coordination. Basically anything where we're not relying on logic. On the other hand, our ability to think logically is improved, which is great for math scores.

Along with this also comes some strange behaviour. We tend to focus on a few subjects, and devote a lot of your time to it. That could be dinosaurs, or postal delivery routes. It can also be a broad subject like computers (you see that a lot these days :P ).

It's also quite common to talk in a sort of monotone, since it's harder to change the tone of your voice. We also tend to have problems learning to speak, which often leads to learning your language from the dictionary, which leads to the whole "talk like an adult" thing.

Because of our problems with socialising with people, we often seek quiet places without many people, and we usually have no problems with being by yourself for a long time. That's not to say that we don't like talking with people at all. As long as we know and trust who we're talking to, we can be extremely talkative.

On a more personal note, these things have given me extreme problems when it comes to school. I'm pretty much the polar opposite of my peers. While my peers shout all the time and don't give a fuck about school, I just sit quietly and actually pay attention to class. While most of my peers are sports freaks and all play football, I prefer reading and don't give a damn about football. While most of my peers couldn't put two and two together, I frequently correct writing errors in my school books.

As you can guess, that leads to a lot of problems. I have moved school about three times, and I didn't miss a single one. I never managed to fit in to any of the schools, mainly because of my own attitude and poor decision making. Only managed to fit into the fourth school after 8 years of pain, stupidity, and sadness. And I was lucky. My parents already knew I had it very early on, and I got a shitton of special treatment at school because of it. There are a lot of people who weren't that lucky.

I could probably write a book about all this, but it's a wall of text already. To answer your questions, being an autist or asberger does not excuse you for being a jerk, it has nothing to do with being a jerk. There's a big difference between not being good at socialising and being an asshole. Although not being good at socialising may make you seem like an asshole, even if you didn't mean to.

Also, self-diagnosis doesn't work. You can't just look at the symptom page and say, "Yep, I'm an asberger." If you think you or someone close to you has autism or asbergers, go to a psychiatrist, preferably one you trust, and get a diagnosis.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2013, 10:08:29 am »

Bipolar type II here; rapid cycling (about a week of depression, a week of hypomania), but the phases are (relatively) mild and I'm well-medicated (1200 mg lithium carbonate per day).
I'm surprised everyone has such bad experiences with psychiatrists - maybe I was just very lucky:
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2013, 11:05:21 am »

Bipolar type II here; rapid cycling (about a week of depression, a week of hypomania), but the phases are (relatively) mild and I'm well-medicated (1200 mg lithium carbonate per day).
I'm surprised everyone has such bad experiences with psychiatrists - maybe I was just very lucky:
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Huh. Your post made me check the details on Bipolar II. My experiences of yesterday and today make me somewhat suspicious that I could use getting myself checked for that or Cyclothymia. I do certainly experience occasional... well, how to put it? I'd say 'swings' but it means something else in this context.

So, I may get hyper, in the 'Oooh, I got an idea...' style, where I feel like I'm overclocked - I think fast, I move fast, I work efficently and gladly... that part is actually kinda awesome.

On the other hand, again for no actual reason or at the slightest provocation, I go in the dark mode - not necessarily sad emo depressive mode, but angry paranoid cynic mode or 'holy shit are we all screwed' mode. It's pretty stupid, and I have enough self-awareness to detect when I'm being an idiot (although rectifying that is another story - the nasty part about depressiveness is that even once you realize you're being irrational it only makes you feel worse).

This would point into that direction, but on the other hand I'm in the age where it might as well be hormonal mood swings late to the party a couple of years and the bounces are sometimes way too fast. So, I'll leave that to a professional to decide, if I actually will go to one.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2013, 11:30:27 am »

Re: Bipolar II:
There's a reason it's said to be quite hard to diagnose. It's perfectly normal for people to have mood cycles, and sometimes even feel a bit crazy. As far as I can tell, the only distinction is both depression and hypomania causing clear problems for the individual.

Re: Asperger's as an excuse:
A mental disorder of any sort is not an excuse for being rude. It is a reason for people to be more understanding and willing to accept an apology. And it is a reason that the individual needs to work harder. These things don't make life easier!
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2013, 12:26:32 pm »

Re: Bipolar II:
There's a reason it's said to be quite hard to diagnose. It's perfectly normal for people to have mood cycles, and sometimes even feel a bit crazy. As far as I can tell, the only distinction is both depression and hypomania causing clear problems for the individual.
Well, it's a spectrum. I'm fairly certain that my mom has a subclinical form of BP too, if only because her attitude to life (happiness is something you choose to experience) sounds like a coping strategy; still she doesn't need any medical attention whatsoever and is perfectly fine. I'd go so far as to say that nearly everyone is mentally ill at some point in his life - that doesn't mean they necessarily need treatment, though.
Actual Bipolar II thus is just a certain section of that spectrum. Rule of thumb: If it severely impedes your everyday life, it's pathologic.
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Re: Schizophrenia, Bipolar and other mental health issues discussion thread
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2013, 01:25:01 pm »

I'll be sure to keep mind the "much but logical thinking suffers to some extent" explanation and the "an illiterate person reading a book" analogy. Those are very useful.

So, I guess the perfect test for if you're a jerk is to see if you would self-diagnose as Asperger's to excuse how you're a jerk :P .

I'm surprised everyone has such bad experiences with psychiatrists - maybe I was just very lucky:
Me too. What surprised me more was the fact that people didn't seem to keep trying to find a better psychiatrist/psychologist, though that's not always feasible.
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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2013, 04:33:54 pm »

I found a better one at least. Though she doesn't think I have any real condition so much as I'm just either repressed or not really emotive. Neither of which are issues beyond the occasional frustration.

It's annoying when people demonize psychiatrists though. It loops back and tends to have people thinking anyone who finds a good one or ends up actually needing one is weak or just giving in. And mental illness is stigmatized enough already.
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