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[Tiruin]

Aw fish. Fixing!

First of all, for everyone's I, I've had two drops of alcohol in my life and that was it.  I don't drink, period.

Second of all, I don't choose my avatars for relatability.  I pick them based on what makes me happy.  In this case, what made me happy was the Hokusai wave in the wine.

I didn't mean to imply anything by that Vector. When I said that I can't relate, I meant that I don't know why people like wine because all my experiences with it resulted in deriving my reaction from the flavor--bitter. I liked the aesthetic of it and...didn't mean anything else by the lack of me saying 'I like it' despite me saying that in a past tense. Meaning: I never meant that I didn't like it..

I didn't mean anything by...relatability. It's just that I couldn't find any term back then, but I didn't mean anything untoward against you when I said such. Nor do I have anything against people drinking wine..Or that you should do x or y because of what other people think..I mean, every avatar you've had has its essence of collateral happiness and its always made everyone else happy.

...Or maybe I'm weird because of that given that I've only had wine twice my entire life. And it was all bitter from the tongue down. And then I was all talkative and many other things that relate to drinking a small glass of wine.

...Sorry if you got the wrong idea..

Well I guess there's a benefit in that it could eliminate Tiruin as a scum suspect.  Are you worried about the possibility that you're scum, Tiruin ?

Pff nah, that's why I'm pushing my luck and bringing up everything I can given how everyone sees me as innocent.

That..and there's always the chance the scum could pick me because they think that I'm not actually bulletproof and have had a +1 life. But what are the chances of that?

What about Tiruin's everything?  She can't tell us anything apparently, so speculation can only get us so far

I can actually tell you anything, just not my role because you won't believe me and that anyone else wouldn't believe me. I can tell my ability but withheld telling it in its exact because of the sheer...power it has.

You can ask Jim later on. No, don't think I killed him because I'm not psychic or any of that magic-y stuff.

PPE:  No Lynch won't work because Leafsnail has a negative vote.  If we had four people with normal votes, it'd be different.

Mm, that's what I thought. LS is weird that he's acting oppositely, but it has basis. The originality deserves kudos though.

I think there's a pretty clear lack of colors in the Jim trio- their connection is more of protection.  In retrospect, it almost seems like they were there to protect US from JIM, instead of the other way around.

Err, didn't anyone get that before?
Fakeedit: Didn't see that in my previous post :x
Anyway, I'm guessing the acolytes, given their context were sent to aid and protect Jin, who seems to be a vessel instead of an actor. Given that she's been somewhat like a prophet, without the innocence of her followers, she was affected by that which I guess, pervades this place. (Yes I'm being wholly speculative).

That this place is cursed by Mother Death, as from what I've heard.

...I really think me and Griffy are only a puzzle to ourselves. I've no connection to anything given my flavor (other than what you saw) and given from what I know of the younger prince, Sigfred didn't like talking about him much-he preferred his older bro.

Everyone: Day ends soon. Verdict?
Lenglon: Last words? It seems unanimous in this case, now.


PPE: Those 3 PPEs.

Huh, right. I think you missed this, Toaster:

Toaster: If people haven't proven you town in the situation beforehand, then you would've, and still should've been my prime suspect..mostly due to playstyle.

Lenglon:

Toaster:Be your own spokesman, I can't put up with the fool you have doing your thinking for you.

The key point is that I agree with Leaf's interpretation of the puzzle, and that said interpretation of the puzzle points directly at you being scum.  Now your responses to Leaf consist mainly of "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."  That only leads me to one question:

If Leaf's puzzle proposal is incorrect, what is the puzzle here?

Why propose her to give her own response to the puzzle? Would a more significant explanation persuade you? Do you sincerely agree in full to Leaf's without any implications?

[Toaster]

What is the puzzle, Lenglon?


Also,

it's irrelevant

But if you insist on there being a wizard- a sentiment I don't agree with- then my best guess would be "not here."  Given we have four unflipped players, there's very little room to put one.  Leaf's vote ability is very confirmed- do you think he's also a wizard?  You've tracked me twice- do you think I was off doing wizardly things instead of what I claimed?  Tiruin's a duck by process of elimination- do you think she's a duck wizard?  Are you a wizard?


Tiruin:  My verdict is that the last extension was a waste.  My vote's not moving unless Lenglon can come up with an epic solution, at this point.

Why not ask Lenglon what the puzzle is?  The fact that there is a puzzle is indisputable.  She responds to Leaf's solution by tearing it down without providing anything to replace it with.  This is self-defense without any offense.

[Lenglon]

What is the puzzle Toaster?

[Tiruin]

If we can affect flavor, then I suggest the one to be lynched today get to explain their acts in defense of the Prince. At least then, if in case there would be no puzzle at all (and that is the puzzle ), then at least there would be some kind of closure.

Tiruin:  My verdict is that the last extension was a waste.  My vote's not moving unless Lenglon can come up with an epic solution, at this point.

Your verdict focuses more on the time rather than the person...Your attack on her is based on the notion that x has given one solution to the puzzle, though faulty and that y has no solution to counter it. She has given one, in the way of saying what LS says is a lie and that he's making it up to afford the lynch on her 'by due process of elimination'.

She's partly right in that you aren't reading her posts in the way that you aren't expounding on your point on her.

[Toaster]

I think that the puzzle that Leafsnail proposed (with regards to six players being paired into colors, where one in each pair is scum) is correct.

What is the puzzle, Lenglon?


Tiruin:  You're forgetting that Vector- word of Mod- said that solving the puzzle would solve the game.  By that logic, if we accept Leafsnail's solution (which I do) we lynch Lenglon and win.

Your attack on her is based on the notion that x has given one solution to the puzzle, though faulty and that y has no solution to counter it. She has given one, in the way of saying what LS says is a lie and that he's making it up to afford the lynch on her 'by due process of elimination'.

Two problems with this:

1.  I considered that, actually, so I gave her an out:

In any case, Lenglon, I don't want to hear anything more from you that isn't your version of the puzzle or a clear and concise reason why you cannot provide one.

She ignored it (probably didn't even read it) and just starting throwing crap at me.

2.  She's voting me.  Why?  I have no idea (yes I do, it's because she's scum and is flailing).  If she suspects Leafsnail, why is she voting me?

[Tiruin]

..Good point.

I think that the puzzle that Leafsnail proposed (with regards to six players being paired into colors, where one in each pair is scum) is correct.
[...]

Tiruin:  You're forgetting that Vector- word of Mod- said that solving the puzzle would solve the game.  By that logic, if we accept Leafsnail's solution (which I do) we lynch Lenglon and win.

You are 100% sure on this?

[Lenglon]

I voted you because you were refusing to read my posts, and then saying that I didn't say things I did, despite me pointing it out to you twice.
It was mostly to get your attention.
Leafsnail

What is the puzzle toaster? Tell me why it is consistant and a solution. I want your words, not leafs.

[Lenglon]

you know what? nevermind. game's over, we lose.

Leaf, your insult to mankind of a communication style is utterly unacceptable, and I will not be playing with you again if given a choice.
Toaster, sorry about being so abrasive.
Tiruin, thank you.

I'm just going to walk away, I've been angry and miserable to my family as a result of this game for the past several days, Mafia isn't healthy for me.
I would ask for a replacement, but there's no point this late in the game.

[Tiruin]

D:

...Ok, one last question. Just to be sure..

you know what? nevermind. game's over, we lose.

'We'?

I'm just going to walk away, I've been angry and miserable to my family as a result of this game for the past several days, Mafia isn't healthy for me.
I would ask for a replacement, but there's no point this late in the game.

:S
Hmm, maybe..well, to be honest, you nor Leaf (ok, you took priority in the list of suspicion) didn't ring off quite scummy. However, if..ok, if Town (saying in advance), then..assertion.

...Dear gods am I really having a nostalgic attack on that one time.

...Hm, Vector did say that everything is possible. For the sake of the story and the Prince:
"Why did you do it?"

[Lenglon]

We is You, Me, and Toaster.
You'll see tomorrow when I'm lynched.

[Leafsnail]

There was something I found really odd about Lenglon's anger at me, and I've just realized what it is.  She's getting angry at me for arguing in a dishonest way, but also apparently thinks I'm mafia.  Does it really make sense to get angry at a scum player for being dishonest, when that's what's required from their role?

[Tiruin]

Isn't that nitpicking the point? She did state why the angry was at you.

...And yes, it does make sense. It isn't a requirement, per se, but it is an appealing option given their role.

[Leafsnail]

It's not always a requirement.  If there's a townie playing so badly that they appear to be scum even without your help, then there's no need.  If that isn't the case however, then as a mafia member you need to try and convince the rest of the town that black is white.  And you can't do that with honest arguments alone.

Therefore, I think it's odd that Lenglon is acting angry at me even though she states that I'm a mafia member.  Why get annoyed at a member of the enemy team who's doing their job correctly, rather than at the members of your own team who are following them?  Therefore I can't see this as anything but an appeal to emotion.

[Tiruin]

...Lenglon isn't playing badly. Why do you think she's playing badly and then insert the notion of being town?

What purpose will getting mad at others on the same, 'Town' team who aren't (ok, are mostly) sure of each other?

[Leafsnail]

I think you missed my point entirely.  I'm not making a comment on Lenglon's play, I'm just saying it makes no sense to get angry at someone you think is mafia for trying to lynch you.  There's no purpose in getting angry at your teammates either, but at least there you're getting angry at people who are doing something wrong.  Therefore Lenglon's anger contradicts her thoughts on who is scum.