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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #870 on: October 09, 2013, 02:33:51 am »

ok, I'm pretty far behind on answering things, but I'll see what I can do. Please tell me if I missed anything.

Lenglon:  Why don't you have any personal effects?
Don't know, sending PM.
Lenglon, Toaster, Leafsnail: Do you have real names? I wasn't given mine. Curious.
Don't know, second PM sent.
Say now, in a hypothetical situation, Lenglon:
Take yourself as being scum.

Why did you clear up Toaster there? You do know that it'll really glance your chances off-and given that you're also clearing me via trust? He could as well have killed me for whichever reason comes to mind~
If I were scum I wouldn't have. I'd just have to get one more mislynch to win. All I'd have to do claim to have tracked Toaster to Jim, Toaster will predictably call me a liar, but it doesn't matter because everyone thinks he's scummy anyway. then tonight night I'd NK Leaf for the win.

However, you want me to make up reasons for me to have tracked Toaster to you instead? well, as scum it wouldn't really matter who is lynched today as long as a lynch happens and it's not me, so I guess I'd do that if I was more confident that I could get either you or Leafsnail lynched than I could for Toaster.
Lenglon: Speak, or forever hold your peace.
PPE: ...
Err. Why was that the only thing you said, Lenglon? Also take care. Same to you Leafsnail..
I was skimming Leafsnail's scum-Lenglon series of events and noticed that it was dependant on the N1 NK target being protected by ZU, and I had remembered that ZU tried to protect me that night, which made that series of events impossible unless scum were trying to nk each other. Leafsnail's response pointed out that the protect aimed at me that night had been redirected, which upon double-checking, it had been, so I suppose I can't prove it false.

I really am sick of fighting with Leafsnail, he's led lynch attempts against me every single game I've been in with him, and his style and attitude infuriates me. Still, from what you're saying, you want me to get right back into fighting with him, yet again, and that's something I'm kinda sick of doing. The fact that Leaf wasn't NK'd night 1 should be proof that I don't have a kill.

If I'm understanding Leafsnail's arguments against me correctly, then his main argument for me being scum is that web didn't try to defend himself very strongly, and that I needed someone to have "tracked" to excuse myself from my supposed kill that night if we presuppose that I am scum. I would like to point out that not only did I post my tracking result as the first post of the day, and that neither I nor web were under pressure up until that point, and that a single mislynch at the point would have been a scum win, but that I also had a perfectly good alternate tracking target I could have claimed to have followed that night. I could have claimed to follow Tiruin, and to have not seen you go anywhere, simply to follow up on my suspicions from the day before of you having fakeclaimed a role without a night action.

I suppose at this point I'm supposed to present some grand "look! Leafsnail is obviscum!" case. Well, to be blunt, I don't have one. Toaster is effectively confirmed town, and I'm simply comparing Tiruin and Leafsnail. Tiruin feels strongly like town to me, and Leafsnail does not.

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@Toaster: Lenglon would have caught flak for deviating from Jim's plan.  And your action as claimed was confirmable by the target anyway, meaning you'd have an alibi anyway even without Lenglon's help (although Tiruin doesn't seem to trust last night's flavour).
you forget that Web was targeted by toaster earlier in the game. scum have a sample of what the target sees when targeted by Toaster. Scum would already know that it doesn't notify the target.

Tiruin, I'll be here for another hour, is there anything else for me to add? do you have any questions?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #871 on: October 09, 2013, 02:49:41 am »

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Why would the mafia allow Lenglon to have completely free reign for three nights, in spite of having both a kill and a roleblocker?  After Lenglon claimed day one, they could have easily neutralized her with either a kill or a roleblock on nights two and three, and could also have killed her on night four.  Why didn't they?  Why did they allow a powerful investigate role to continue living for this long?  This is on top of the "why would me and webadict kill the guy giving us powers" question I posed to you earlier.
N1 - Didn't know my role
N2 - I was likely to be protected, I was the only claimed role and thereby was doctor bait.
N3 - nightkill blocker was a higher priority - I would need to track the killer specifically, on the night of the kill, and it looked like I was going to track Tiruin
N4 - Jim the fully-loaded JOAT who hasn't said what he's going to do or me when I'm going to track toaster or maaaaaabye tiruin? easy decision who to kill.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #872 on: October 09, 2013, 02:59:22 am »

Leaf, I'm having trouble keeping track of your arguments for why I'm scum because of how you're presenting them. could you please summarize the key points for me?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #873 on: October 09, 2013, 03:11:54 am »

Tiruin, I'll be here for another hour, is there anything else for me to add? do you have any questions?
I...really think its all on Leafsnail here. You could've also lolhammered early in today on my 'mistake', to add to that paragraph right there on what I asked you.

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Why would the mafia allow Lenglon to have completely free reign for three nights, in spite of having both a kill and a roleblocker?  After Lenglon claimed day one, they could have easily neutralized her with either a kill or a roleblock on nights two and three, and could also have killed her on night four.  Why didn't they?  Why did they allow a powerful investigate role to continue living for this long?  This is on top of the "why would me and webadict kill the guy giving us powers" question I posed to you earlier.
N1 - Didn't know my role
Too busy to check - you claimed Day 1?!

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #874 on: October 09, 2013, 03:24:13 am »

no, I reported a tracking result D2, so N1 they didn't know my role, powers, or anything at all about my character.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #875 on: October 09, 2013, 03:36:04 am »

PFP
no, I reported a tracking result D2, so N1 they didn't know my role, powers, or anything at all about my character.
And Leafsnail says contrary--are you sick of fighting with him in the way stated below, or are you done with the foulplay enough to let who is scum in your eyes goad you into submission?
Fight for the lily clan then! You're fighting for all flowers everywhere!
*ahem*

I really am sick of fighting with Leafsnail, he's led lynch attempts against me every single game I've been in with him, and his style and attitude infuriates me. Still, from what you're saying, you want me to get right back into fighting with him, yet again, and that's something I'm kinda sick of doing. The fact that Leaf wasn't NK'd night 1 should be proof that I don't have a kill.
A few bits:
The Mafia NK is a group action performed by only one person while the rest get to do their stuffs on said night. That night, Griffy died. Flavor indicates Stiletto procedure - ala Soli. Actions speak for themselves.

Though the logic here is..twisty. If you're sick of fighting ye ol'snail, what have you to say about his arguments presented against you? I'm leaning on his version at this point (...other than all those blatant meta evidence he brings up like DOUBLEVOTERISTOWN and the other notes. I am not relying on the puzzle to diversify given the pairings {though it makes little sense why a LS/Web/TWS team would have a chat..probably only to confuse TWS.} yet the evidence presented on your case (that being..well, an explanation on Webby-web's notes, which I'd like to see your thoughts on rather than irritation {..because there needs to be something that follows the story given action and reaction, and his detail focuses on you outright lying and all that}.

So yeah, add that in Lenglon.


Leafsnail: Since you're irritated that I ask you to 'repeatahahahahh' your notes. You thought ZU was scum back then and lynched him without expounding when I asked (noting the explicit 'mafia' note), or maybe you did-and are going along the idea of not linking back when asked. Just linking it would do something rather than flailing about and attempting a subtle ad hominem. Those things are those which I find debases your credibility in that situation.

Why do you keep on doing such, and inserting the ol'"You'll regret doing this since I'm town!" note instead of deconstructing the argument presented to you? Is it stupid enough to not ensure that communication gets through and rather, to infer a result is the better case?

Let me present few examples.

So anyway, in a hypothetical situation that she's scum, why did you not think she would've laid down the hammer at the break of dawn, today as holding some argument?

Plus this: Where and how did you procure those books over here?



Toaster: ...Ok, re-reading, you're really lazy to answer scant few questions poking your role, sir. Most recently is this one:
What does your flavour say you actually do?  Does it maybe have you spreading earth on people to help them grow roses?
Leaf:  No.  I literally give them a rose.
Your flavor literally "No"'s, huh.

Because the more people wear roses, the more they're planted, and that's a good thing.
...You can't plant a dead flower. >_>
The good thing is if they pollinate. Which requires being alive.
I-
How did you logic this one?
Edit: Woo, typo..
How does this make sense? I am not wearing a rose. Can you examine my body to check for roses?

Tiruin:  Us flowers don't have names, silly!  (No, no name.  Other than my role name "the Rose.")

If you look at the effects, they're all fairly natural things (wood, grass, wool, etc.)  Things a girl that was recently a flower might be attracted to.  They're also things that most likely came from the castle and its grounds- nothing that was obviously brought in.

Confirmed third-party here.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #876 on: October 09, 2013, 03:55:29 am »

In which I fix this post.
Leafsnail: Since you're irritated that I ask you to 'repeatahahahahh' your notes. You thought ZU was scum back then and lynched him without expounding when I asked (noting the explicit 'mafia' note), or maybe you did-and are going along the idea of not linking back when asked. Just linking it would do something rather than flailing about and attempting a subtle ad hominem. Those things are those which I find debases your credibility in that situation.

Why do you keep on doing such, and inserting the ol'"You'll regret doing this since I'm town!" note instead of deconstructing the argument presented to you? Is it stupid enough to not ensure that communication gets through and rather, to infer a result is the better case?

Let me present few examples.
[...]
So anyway, in a hypothetical situation that she's scum, why did you not think she would've laid down the hammer at the break of dawn, today as holding some argument?

Plus this: Where and how did you procure those books over here?
[...]
The fix being I'm putting ellipses into the parts I'm expounding on later due to breaks in exams cutting in. [It can be found if you look in between the D5...mostly where my memory sees it]

Also how sure are you that Toaster is confirmed town, when all we got of his actions was dirt? To be said in the least, if Lenglon's gravedirt theory is right, which..did make sense then, until I saw that Jim stated that Griffionday had the same lack of rose. He did know where I was, but gave..a list of places to note.

The only one who has a rose is you, by the way. And it would be silly to throw dirt at people, then stick your rose in it to make it grow-those things require nutrients and sunlight. And water.

Toaster. Please answer all of the above queries directed to you.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #877 on: October 09, 2013, 04:07:19 am »

{..because there needs to be something that follows the story given action and reaction, and his detail focuses on you outright lying and all that}
wait wait wait, I outright lied somewhere? what? where did that happen?

Though the logic here is..twisty. If you're sick of fighting ye ol'snail, what have you to say about his arguments presented against you?
I think that they're all over the place, and that I'm having trouble even following it at this point, which is why I asked him for a summary.
yet the evidence presented on your case (that being..well, an explanation on Webby-web's notes, which I'd like to see your thoughts on rather than irritation.
well, the question here is does Web suck at mafia or not?

Lets put ourselves in Web's shoes from yesterday for a moment, shall we? Version 1, I'm his scumbuddy: Ok, so you're scumbuddy just outed you to the group, and is prepared to bus you to death, and it's MYLO. Do you: A) Give up, roll over, and die, or B) fight as hard as you can to survive.
well lets see, A makes the bus obvious, and B gives you a chance at pulling off a mislynch and winning on the spot.
so yeah, the smart move is to fight as hard as you can to survive.

Version 2, Leaf's his scumbuddy: Ok, that darn tracker just tracked you to the nk, and you're probably going to die. do you A) roll over and die quietly, and tell your scumbuddy to call what happened a bus on the next day for a easy mislynch and win. or B) fight to survive, and hope to pull off the impossible?

Leaf's had all day yesterday and a very long night to plan out exactly how he wants today to go, and I respect Web's skill at Mafia, do you?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #878 on: October 09, 2013, 04:19:47 am »

let me explain my accusation at the bottom of my last post.

one thing that struck me is just how fast Leafsnail presented a lynch case against me, composed of several giant walls of text. yet before today he never made even a peep about me. It seems to me like he had that case prepared before the day even began, because he knew exactly how the night was going to go, and what he needed to do today to win. If, as Leaf said, he only came to the concusion that I was scummy today, then where did this case come from? and why, for several of the points in it, are they only being brought up now? and not when they happened? he's complaining about my flavor from two days ago, he's complainaing about Web's behavior from yesterday, he's got lots of things that seem rather... time-displaced. like they don't actually matter to him, and that he's only bringing them up now in order to build a case.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #879 on: October 09, 2013, 06:43:06 am »

Why am I awake anyway? whatever.
anyways, I finally figured out why you were explaining how the mafiakill works, you were taking what I said in small print seriously and literally. What I was saying there was if I had a kill of any kind, vig, mafia, sk, whatever, then I'd have used it on leaf N1 simply so I wouldn't have to put up with him. It's not really any kind of evidence towards anything, I'm just gripeing, don't worry about it.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #880 on: October 09, 2013, 07:54:38 am »

Well I could say that he only got it now when he 'answered' the puzzle...from thoughts on watching an anime? I'm unsure-it sounded like that.
{..because there needs to be something that follows the story given action and reaction, and his detail focuses on you outright lying and all that}
wait wait wait, I outright lied somewhere? what? where did that happen?
Err, that's LS' explanation on the NKs. Given the scoreset of:
 Roleblocker (x3 till bonus kill or they can just take the killing themselves as far as I can see)
 Godfather (Ottofar could do the killings everytime. ...And he's only useful against Griffy-griff)
 Tracker [He be talkin' about you.] (Given the context, someone would've played according to efficiency-the claims went off when Jim asked during..well, D3-ish.)

However, the state at which it all stands, Leafsnail is taking the active voice, and you're taking the passive voice despite it being the one going along some of my suspicions on LS' behavior, to state allegorically in a semantic manner. I get those hypothetical situations with the queries and explanations, but LS has given arguments which stand on defacing you--you seem to reply to them with hypotheticals. As of the moment, his explanation seems best, and you seem like diverting the notion or possibly appealing to thought = the best way, except that the thought in this situation cannot be appealed to without basis from both sides.

Can you address them directly and say how they're untrue? Like for example this pairing system. I can abide by it because it makes sense. While it doesn't explain everything (I look at Toaster and his rose-like dirt theory), it makes sense enough to agree upon--in the way that it damns the last one standing by order of elimination.

Busy checking ~D3.

My thoughts in braces.
Though the logic here is..twisty. If you're sick of fighting ye ol'snail, what have you to say about his arguments presented against you?
I think that they're all over the place, and that I'm having trouble even following it at this point, which is why I asked him for a summary.
yet the evidence presented on your case (that being..well, an explanation on Webby-web's notes, which I'd like to see your thoughts on rather than irritation.
@Spoiler above: All Web's posts detail down to these.
His words were terse BUT all his targets in the last link here may provide a clue. (Also someone who dances is just someone who dances. It depends on whether you dance with someone in the night or not. Just like me: Someone who punches doesn't directly equal someone punching anyone else who visits them in the night or not. :P)
PS: It was MYLO WHEN said bus issued. @Lenglon:

His other posts... prodded [see the 'prodded' part: Vector did answer the question correctly..just that it was a whole different question due to vague wording.]  details in which the Mod was called in. Yeah, he didn't kill TWS. He was an accomplice to murder.

So why discuss Web again, and not the context in which the consequence resides?

Why am I awake anyway? whatever.
anyways, -snip-
O sleep, my dear, my bringer of night
Who hath brought me tears of delight
In thy arms I rest and repress
My stress and my sorrows, which in days coalesce


I wish I could sleep more than 3 hours...but I can't. SO nyah.


Extend in this situation because I don't think I'll be able in the next hours. [It'll end on a Sunday if this happens! And nobody will have an excuse to post in brevity.]

All: Opinion on No Lynch. The idea hasn't come to me until now, though.


I also forgot. LS: To expound on that lore on your 2x vote, how did TWS affect you for you to have that--his music?

Those examples I'm saying? It feels like you're somehow changing facts to forward your arguments? Like, how you present Lenglon @D2 instead of D1 claim, and where she directly claims and has add-on effects like confirming Toaster gave a rose? I can understand memory mistakes, but doing it twice in a row is intriguing, to say the least.

Also can you restate/summarize your fullclaim? This is a serious question given that your style of claiming matches Okami-Web's. Pieces and bits at a time with no structured baseline to follow. Meaning: You claimed as time progressed back then.

And poking back
This is the first post of D4.  Why would Scum Lenglon post this and put Scum Webadict in such a terrible spot before anything happens?  Scum Lenglon could easily have claimed a track to Griffinpup from anyone else and probably have gotten them lynched.  I'm all for scum bussing when it's useful, but I see absolutely no reason for this to happen.  This isn't even WIFOM- there's zero gain in a bus at that point in the game.
You are calling Lenglon town and refusing to vote for her in spite of her nonsense claim and incredibly passive play throughout the game.  If that isn't a gain for scum then what is?

However, I also think you haven't fully considered the situation from Lenglon's point of view.  She had no way of knowing whether other people's night actions were confirmable, and if she lied about a townie's action she risked going 2v1 and dying meaninglessly.  She also couldn't claim a genuine result because she was performing the kill, and certainly couldn't lie about webadict's action due to the fact that webadict's action is seen by the target.  So it's actually the most risk-free option.

Incidentally, if I'm scum, you'd have to make a WIFOM argument about night 3 too.  Because that would mean me and webadict decided to kill someone who we knew would make both of our roles weaker.

How nonsense was her claim, that now the situation requires explanation on something that happened instead of denouncing its entirety?

In the bolded part, how did you know it would make both of your roles weaker when, seeing Web-Okami's role, it doesn't even state anything in it. The weaker in her version was the loss of a bonus-kill, but she still has the option of the faction NK.
tl;dr: There was nothing that stated a loss of power with the absence of the musician. Moreover, it seemed more like a boon if the musician died instead.

Is your role name Black Shoes or something?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #881 on: October 09, 2013, 08:21:44 am »

Tiruin:
Toaster: ...Ok, re-reading, you're really lazy to answer scant few questions poking your role, sir. Most recently is this one:
What does your flavour say you actually do?  Does it maybe have you spreading earth on people to help them grow roses?
Leaf:  No.  I literally give them a rose.
Your flavor literally "No"'s, huh.

How is this not an answer?  There's no dirt involved- I give people a rose, plain and simple.  How am I supposed to expand on that when there's nothing to expand on?

Because the more people wear roses, the more they're planted, and that's a good thing.
...You can't plant a dead flower. >_>
The good thing is if they pollinate. Which requires being alive.
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How did you logic this one?
Edit: Woo, typo..
How does this make sense? I am not wearing a rose. Can you examine my body to check for roses?

Supply and demand.  If there are lots of people wanting to wear roses, you have to plant more to grow more.  This is good for plants.

I can, but I seriously doubt it will go anywhere.

VectorPrincess Toaster examines the gathered princesses.  Is anyone- Princess Tiruin especially, wearing flowers?  Any roses in particular?

Tiruin:  Us flowers don't have names, silly!  (No, no name.  Other than my role name "the Rose.")

If you look at the effects, they're all fairly natural things (wood, grass, wool, etc.)  Things a girl that was recently a flower might be attracted to.  They're also things that most likely came from the castle and its grounds- nothing that was obviously brought in.

Confirmed third-party here.

For someone who gets on to me for not explaining things, you're really pulling that one out of thin air.

No, I'm not third party.  I'm town, same as I have always been.

PPE:  No Lynch won't work because Leafsnail has a negative vote.  If we had four people with normal votes, it'd be different.

So who do you suspect more, Tiruin?  Leafsnail or Lenglon?



In any case, Leafsnail has convinced me that he is town and Lenglon is not.

Vote Lenglon.


Some specific points:

This recent accusation by Lenglon is silly.  There's been plenty of time since day start for Leaf to plan, and even Town Leaf could reasonably have thought about the game during the night.

I really am sick of fighting with Leafsnail, he's led lynch attempts against me every single game I've been in with him, and his style and attitude infuriates me. Still, from what you're saying, you want me to get right back into fighting with him, yet again, and that's something I'm kinda sick of doing. The fact that Leaf wasn't NK'd night 1 should be proof that I don't have a kill.

This is an appeal to emotion.


On "why would scum not have killed or blocked Town Lenglon:"  This is drifting into WIFOM territory, but Lenglon didn't answer the question fully:

N2 - I was likely to be protected, I was the only claimed role and thereby was doctor bait.

She's completely ignoring the roleblocker factor.  Let's think:  N2 there is exactly one power role claim, and it's one that can easily out mafia.  Would mafia block said role or just fire it off randomly?  Again, a bit WIFOM, but it's a tough sell to believe.

As far as the legitimacy of the bus, I've played with Web enough times to know that is totally something he would come up with and do.  He's not beyond throwing himself under the bus or trying something wild and crazy.

In general, though, I agree with Leafsnail's presentation of events.  Lenglon's case... is pretty much "I didn't do it so it must be Leafsnail."  Leaf is coming up with a plausible case to explain the events of the game.  Lenglon is more "no you."

Lenglon, if you want to convince me otherwise, you're going to have to try harder than that.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #882 on: October 09, 2013, 10:16:59 am »

I did accidentally say "day one" instead of "day two" when talking about Lenglon's claim.  Note, however, that I referred to the nights correctly, and everything I said is still true: the mafia left Lenglon alive and unblocked for two nights, and then alive for one more.

@Tiruin:

Yeah I was mainly getting frustrated because I felt like I'd explained the webadict bus thing a lot of times, and because you don't seem to be grasping the reason why Toaster is almost certainly not the killer from last night.  Fair enough if you're just being thorough though.

It's true that Lenglon didn't see what action Toaster used, but I don't actually think that's relevant.  We know he didn't use a kill action against Jim Groovester last night, and that is enough for us to know he isn't the final mafia member.

I suppose it is possible that webadict made a mistake, but I don't think so.  For one thing, he tried to argue "mod error" after a contradiction in his original claim was found.  That's bizarre, because no moderator would allow a mod error to influence the game like that (particularly not a mod who pays close attention to what's happening in her games).  He should have argued that yes, it's unlikely, but the mafia does have a role that makes you see yourself going to another target.  So the fact that he made an impossible claim and then compounded the error by using an argument that could not have saved him makes me think it was deliberate.

What do you mean by the "mishap" on N3?

My vote is indeed a universal -1.  You can see from my previous extension votes that it wasn't before.

I did explain the lore behind my powers when I claimed my flavour... and also when you asked me more recently.  I got a massive confidence boost from being able to walk, and dance, and have a chance of romance again.  This massive confidence increase led to a charisma increase, and more charisma mean that people value your opinion more.  In other words, your vote counts for more.  Then I got depressed when I lost the ability to walk and dance, and thus people began seeing my opinion in a negative light and reducing the votes for me.

Incidentally, I've thought of some fairly compelling meta-reasoning: as a moderator, I would never put both webadict's role and a hidden doublevoter on the same mafia team.  That's simply because they could jump out of nowhere and snatch a victory from a situation that should have been mylo.

I...really think its all on Leafsnail here. You could've also lolhammered early in today on my 'mistake', to add to that paragraph right there on what I asked you.
Lenglon could not have hammered.

Leafsnail: Since you're irritated that I ask you to 'repeatahahahahh' your notes. You thought ZU was scum back then and lynched him without expounding when I asked (noting the explicit 'mafia' note), or maybe you did-and are going along the idea of not linking back when asked. Just linking it would do something rather than flailing about and attempting a subtle ad hominem. Those things are those which I find debases your credibility in that situation.
This is exactly what I mean by repetition.  You asked me this earlier today, and I responded.  You then ignored my answer, and now you're asking me the same question again.  It is very frustrating to be asked to perform the same task again and again with no feedback.
I can't even remember anymore.  Again, I ask you to look at the reasons I stated when I voted him and asking me questions about those.  If I remember correctly it boiled down to
- mad passivity
- doing absolutely no scumhunting at any point (these were my initial reasons - see "He's being ridiculously passive, I don't think he's even called anyone scum all game.", which is a statement I still fully stand by)
- Solifuge's flavour seemed to imply that his role was anti-town before he fell in love with the Prince.  It would have made sense for another incoming agent to not fall in love and remain anti-town.

So anyway, in a hypothetical situation that she's scum, why did you not think she would've laid down the hammer at the break of dawn, today as holding some argument?
Because Lenglon could not hammer, due to it being three votes to lynch.  I really don't see what else needs to be said on this point.

Plus this: Where and how did you procure those books over here?
I dunno.  Probably from the library?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #883 on: October 09, 2013, 10:31:30 am »

VOTE COUNT

Leafsnail - Leafsnail, Lenglon
Toaster - Tiruin
Lenglon - Toaster
Tiruin

Not voting: none

Day end is currently scheduled for Thursday at 7:00 PM (-8GMT).  One vote heard for extension to Monday at 7:00 PM (-8GMT).  One more vote required to extend to Monday at 7:00 PM (-8GMT).

This is the final extension available.  Make your time count.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Five: Death and the Virgin
« Reply #884 on: October 09, 2013, 10:34:53 am »

VectorPrincess Toaster examines the gathered princesses.  Is anyone- Princess Tiruin especially, wearing flowers?  Any roses in particular?

Along the hem of each black funeral dress is embroidered a string of roses.

The night information you get is the night information you get.  I will not confirm or deny night actions in-thread.
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