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[notquitethere]

Nerjin, Deathsword

Nerjin

DUDE! You are an IC! YOU CANNOT DO THIS! If you are going to give advice you need to GIVE advice. Come on man. You're better than this.

I appreciate the concern, and usually I'd agree but in this instance I don't think it's my job to give scum advice. If Imp really is a rolecop he can ask the scum-IC Deathsword for advice on good rolecop scumplay. Do you disagree?

OF COURSE I disagree! You are an IC! It doesn't matter WHAT his alignment is you are supposed to teach him you twit. Jesus dude! What the hell? You signed up to teach: TEACH! Scum, Town, third party, just reading the forum for fun, it doesn't matter! Do not pull this again NQT. Do your damn job.

I feel I must intervene. NQT, you can't be 100% sure who is scum and who is not. Only I, the mod, the spoilspecs, and the scum team can be know for sure. And even if a player says "hey, I am scum" you are still obligated as an IC to teach them. Being an IC means you must give advice and teach, EVEN IF THAT GOES AGAINST YOUR WINCON. Refusing to give advice as an IC is terrible play and against the idea of BMs themselves.

I can't help but feel we're talking at cross purposes here and I can see how what I said might have been ambiguous. I meant 'scum-advice' not 'advice to scum': I wasn't not advising Imp because I thought he was scum. Or, to put it another way, I wasn't calling Imp scum and then refusing to teach him; I was saying I didn't think it was my job to give scum-specific advice. Do you see that? I just didn't think it was in my remit to teach everyone good scumplay. I thought that was the scum IC's job. But, if you guys disagree that's fine. Just a misunderstanding. I'd appreciate it if you didn't take an aggravated tone-- that makes me not want to play here at all.

Okay...

Imperial Guardsman
Rolecopping based on a player's previous chances of getting roles isn't a particularly reliable method. As it's done randomly, I've as much chance of getting a role as anyone else. A much more reliable method of choosing who to rolecop is to look at those town-players that are most engaged prodding people and asking questions: they're the ones that are most likely to be cops or jailers weighing up who to night-target. Obviously don't pick anyone that your scumbuddy is night-killing. At this stage we don't have much information so there's not so much harm in choosing randomly or based on something arbitrary like past-prevalence of having a role. However in later days you'll want to target players that make strong moves and sudden accusations against scum at the beginning of a day: they're most likely to be the players who found something out in the night.

[notquitethere]

Nerjin, Deathsword

Nerjin

DUDE! You are an IC! YOU CANNOT DO THIS! If you are going to give advice you need to GIVE advice. Come on man. You're better than this.

I appreciate the concern, and usually I'd agree but in this instance I don't think it's my job to give scum advice. If Imp really is a rolecop he can ask the scum-IC Deathsword for advice on good rolecop scumplay. Do you disagree?

OF COURSE I disagree! You are an IC! It doesn't matter WHAT his alignment is you are supposed to teach him you twit. Jesus dude! What the hell? You signed up to teach: TEACH! Scum, Town, third party, just reading the forum for fun, it doesn't matter! Do not pull this again NQT. Do your damn job.

I feel I must intervene. NQT, you can't be 100% sure who is scum and who is not. Only I, the mod, the spoilspecs, and the scum team can be know for sure. And even if a player says "hey, I am scum" you are still obligated as an IC to teach them. Being an IC means you must give advice and teach, EVEN IF THAT GOES AGAINST YOUR WINCON. Refusing to give advice as an IC is terrible play and against the idea of BMs themselves.

I can't help but feel we're talking at cross purposes here and I can see how what I said might have been ambiguous. I meant 'scum-advice' not 'advice to scum': I wasn't not advising Imp because I thought he was scum. Or, to put it another way, I wasn't calling Imp scum and then refusing to teach him; I was saying I didn't think it was my job to give scum-specific advice. Do you see that? I just didn't think it was in my remit to teach everyone good scumplay. I thought that was the scum IC's job. But, if you guys disagree that's fine. Just a misunderstanding. I'd appreciate it if you didn't take an aggravated tone-- that makes me not want to play here at all.

Okay...

Imperial Guardsman
Rolecopping based on a player's previous chances of getting roles isn't a particularly reliable method. As it's done randomly, I've as much chance of getting a role as anyone else. A much more reliable method of choosing who to rolecop is to look at those town-players that are most engaged prodding people and asking questions: they're the ones that are most likely to be cops or jailers weighing up who to night-target. Obviously don't pick anyone that your scumbuddy is night-killing. At this stage we don't have much information so there's not so much harm in choosing randomly or based on something arbitrary like past-prevalence of having a role. However in later days you'll want to target players that make strong moves and sudden accusations against scum at the beginning of a day: they're most likely to be the players who found something out in the night.

[Okami No Rei]

PFP - 2 Hours remaining in Day One.

[griffinpup]

Gun: (guninanrunin)
Why do you have time to post 39 times outside this thread today, but haven't managed to find time to answer anyone's questions in this thread?
Consider this an official accusation of lurking.

[Parsely]

Well no one's asked me any questions as a matter of fact. And there's plenty of action watching Nerjin and Dave (one-sidedly) slug it out.

Meanwhile you haven't done much except helpfully tell everyone that they're not answering any questions. Why the passive aggression? I guess you're feeling pretty cozy with watching someone else get taken down instead of you.

[griffinpup]

Well no one's asked me any questions as a matter of fact.

Wrong Answer.  Try again.

Gun:
Your predecessor pursued the issue of my voting without substance significantly, and then immediately dropped it and moved on.  What's your opinion on the subject?  Do you know why he left the issue so abruptly?

GUN, welcome to the game. I suggest taking a moment to read through the game (better now before it gets too unwieldy) and making a few notes on the play of each of the players. What's your fresh perspective on everyone?

[griffinpup]

Meanwhile you haven't done much except helpfully tell everyone that they're not answering any questions. Why the passive aggression? I guess you're feeling pretty cozy with watching someone else get taken down instead of you.

I'm currently waiting for people like you to answer my questions.  There's not much else I can do except prod.

Also, I assume that you were planning on finishing this day without posting again.  Why wouldn't you attempt to scumhunt or make a case on someone you think is scummy?  All you've been doing is "watching".  If there's a better example of lurking I haven't seen it.

[Tiruin]

Spoiler: Just to note on ICs (click to show/hide)

The ICs are experienced players on the board who have signed up to help you learn.[...]


The ICs are here solely to teach new players how to play, but remember, they are also players in the game. This means they have the same chance to be scum as any other player and it is entirely possible for one IC or even both ICs to be scum. Regardless of their alignment, they are obligated to provide you with genuine advice, so that even if you don't trust the IC, you can trust the advice they give.

[Parsely]

I'm currently waiting for people like you to answer my questions.  There's not much else I can do except prod.

Also, I assume that you were planning on finishing this day without posting again.  Why wouldn't you attempt to scumhunt or make a case on someone you think is scummy?  All you've been doing is "watching".  If there's a better example of lurking I haven't seen it.

They must not think much of your accusations then.

I'm making a case right now. I was taking the time to read through the thread and see what sort of effort everyone was putting in, and their stances. The others have been talking, solidifying their leads, and meanwhile you've been sitting back, watching the lynch go down. You sure didn't have much to say about it. Like I said before, you must be pretty relieved that its someone other than you getting the axe.

[notquitethere]

GUN

Well no one's asked me any questions as a matter of fact. And there's plenty of action watching Nerjin and Dave (one-sidedly) slug it out.

There was this:

GUN, welcome to the game. I suggest taking a moment to read through the game (better now before it gets too unwieldy) and making a few notes on the play of each of the players. What's your fresh perspective on everyone?

Also, were you going to vote?

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Yes, I know that-- this has been a semantic misunderstanding. The others appear to think that I was refusing to help players that I suspected of being scum(!), I was actually saying that I didn't think the IC's job was to give advice on how players should play a good scum game. I certainly don't recall seeing IC's do this (surely that's the scum-IC's job). Regardless, I gave the advice in the end.

Hmm... two hours left. Time for my final vote and reads!

Some of my general impressions of the players:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

GUNINANRUNIN  - not been very proactive, but still very new to the game. Not much to say. Hope to see more of tomorrow.
griffinpup - Aggressive and forthright, but has a patchy record of responding to my questions (perhaps through misplaced meta-spite?)
Griffionday  - Seems pretty reasonable- backed up votes when pushed.
Powder Miner - A fairly rational player, I haven't spotten any obvious scumtells
Imperial Guardsman - Seems a tad over-confident. Scum bluster, or revelling in his growing experience?
DaveTheGrave - Displayed scum-tells like voting without reason, over-paranoia. Could be new player bluster?
TheWetSheep/Chink - A lot of questions, debatable conclusions. If Dave is scum, I'd suspect more.
Nerjin - My read on Nerjin depends entirely on how Dave flips: if he flips town, I'll be pretty suspicious indeed, especially with his borderline-tunneling of Dave

At the end of the day I should place my vote on the player that is the most scummiest. I thought long and hard about this. Dave is top target and there's nothing I can do to stop him being lynched at this stage. My vote only signifies who I find scummy. And I do find Dave scummy, but I also find the way he's been handled and effective plumped for a lynching by Nerjin and Griffpup, especially suspicious. I'll level with you all, I'm also worried if Dave does flip scum then I'll be suspected of unreasonably defending him, but if I do place my vote on him I'll be accused of bussing. This puts me in a poor position right now and these are the kinds of accusations I'll be looking out for Day 2.

Ultimately, you should vote for the person you think should be lynched. Dave has a lot to learn but he is a liability to the town and his death will give us the most information. He has made the most new-player mistakes but has also acted the most scummiest, and I only hope that the latter is just due to the former. For these reasons: DaveTheGrave.

[Okami No Rei]

Day One has ended.

[griffinpup]

GUN:

I'm currently waiting for people like you to answer my questions.  There's not much else I can do except prod.

Also, I assume that you were planning on finishing this day without posting again.  Why wouldn't you attempt to scumhunt or make a case on someone you think is scummy?  All you've been doing is "watching".  If there's a better example of lurking I haven't seen it.

They must not think much of your accusations then.

I'm making a case right now. I was taking the time to read through the thread and see what sort of effort everyone was putting in, and their stances. The others have been talking, solidifying their leads, and meanwhile you've been sitting back, watching the lynch go down. You sure didn't have much to say about it. Like I said before, you must be pretty relieved that its someone other than you getting the axe.

In case you haven't noticed, the person I'm voting is the current lynch target, and the players that I'm currently have discussions with haven't posted on this thread recently, and therefore haven't answered my question.  Unlike you, most people in this game actually do answer questions when asked.

I'm making a case right now.

And where's this case?

and meanwhile you've been sitting back

I assume this is an accusation of lurking?

You sure didn't have much to say about it.

I'm made my opinion on the current lynch clear in this post and posts like it.  I'd hardly qualify all of my posts on the matter as "not saying much about it"

Dave is stupid, and is either super stupid, or panicking scum.  Without answers to my questions, and what looks like an OMGUS and bandwagon vote in an attempt to save himself, he looks decidedly scummy.  This could merely be extreme newbiness, but I doubt it.

And you still haven't explained why you haven't answered anyone's questions.  Or answered them, for that matter.

[DaveTheGrave]

The only reason anyone thinks I'm scum is in the beggening I mistook hypothetical, as accusations.

DaveTheGrave, You are scum. Who is the night one nightkill?

Dont know, I'm not scum. Odds are whoever is scum is going to play the shit out of this conflict and kill you anyway, so salutations my good man.

[Okami No Rei]

Spoiler: First Blood (click to show/hide)

From a hole in the wall, she watched, curious, as the goblins continued their charade of civility.
"I say it him!"
The big one screamed as he leapt to his feet, axe in hand.
"Me?  It no me!  You know me!  I live in tribe all my life.  Me no snitch."
One of the dwarves leaned against the wall, trimming its nails with a dagger, a nasty grin on its face.
"Surely that's just what a snitch would say.  I do believe we've found our culprit.  He certainly has my vote."
A sudden crash sent her deeper into the hole, followed shortly by a thump as goblin flesh hit stone.  She peeked back around the corner to see the second dwarf with frying pan in hand.
"Mine as well.  What say you, gentlemen?  You all heard this traitorous scum as much as admit to his misdeeds.  There can be no question now."
One by one, the others nodded assent, some with a gleam of jealousy in their eyes, one or two with hatred, but most simply followed the group.
"That good."
The second largest goblin took up the unconscious one's axe in hand.
"This one snitch.  We know that now.  He pay with head."
A single stroke, and the sickly sweet stench of goblin blood filled the air.  Her stomach churned.
"We sleep now. You and you go watch gate.  Let us know if bridge not close."

Day One has ended!

FINAL VOTECOUNT

GUNINANRUNIN (0) -
griffinpup (1) - Griffionday
Griffionday (0) -
Powder Miner (1) - Chink
Imperial Guardsman (1) - DaveTheGrave
DaveTheGrave (5) - Nerjin, Imperial Guardsman, griffinpup, Powder Miner, notquitethere
Chink (0) -
Nerjin (0) -
notquitethere (0) -

Not Voting - GUNINANRUNIN

DaveTheGrave has been lynched!

DaveTheGrave was a Goblin Thief (Vanilla Town)

Night One has begun, and will end on Tuesday, July 30 at 8:00pm CST, or when I have received all actions.

Send in your actions.

[Okami No Rei]

Spoiler: Goblin Food (click to show/hide)

That fool of a goblin had reigned long, but now He was the biggest, and He had The Axe.  To find out, after all this time, that the fool had been a snitch as well, well, that was just honey on the cricket.  His dreams were pleasant, while they lasted.  He awoke to the sound of someone dragging the body outside.  One of the new fellows from that mountain tribe.
"Hey!  Why you do that?  It start to smell nice."
The goblin looked startled for a moment.
"Smell nice?  That horrid stench could kill three elephants."
It finally muscled the body to the door as it spoke.
"Mean it good to eat soon.  You stone gobs know not the taste of dead flesh?"
It opened the door, then fell face-first into the hallway as a cat materialized on the back of its head, pausing only briefly before leaping off into the darkness outside.
"TO THE ABYSS WITH ALL FELINES!"
He watched, bemused, as it clambered to its feet and continued to struggle with the corpse.  The sight made him hungry.  He took up the axe and moved to the doorway, pushing the mountain goblin aside.
"Here.  I show you what to do with dead gob."
Two solid strikes.  one at the elbow, one at the shoulder.  He took up both pieces, and offered the upper arm to the other goblin.
"Here.  Eat.  Is good."
"I'm quite alright, thank you.  Now if you don't mind I think I'll just..."
The goblin's protests died on seeing His face.  Footsteps.  He'd heard footsteps.  He motioned it back inside, flinging the remnants of the body after it.  Couldn't have a dwarven patrol finding it.  He stepped back inside, then closed the door all but a crack.  The footsteps grew louder.
"Just one. I go see. We may eat dwarf this night."
He crept back out into the hallway, keeping to the darkest corners. A figure emerged ahead, and he breathed a sigh of relief, tinged with disappointment, to see one of his own kind.
"Hail! Is gate down yet? I send two of you.  Where is rest of team?"
"Gate still up, boss.  He get bored.  Say he find new gate.  Leave to scout.  Not come back."
The goblin looked down, shuffling his feet.  A hint of anxiety in his voice, he continued.
"I find him on way back.  He have... He have gob sword in back!"
The news hit him like a cave-in.  A goblin-made sword?  But that must mean...
"We go back to room.  You tell the rest.  It look like we have more than one snitch."
He couldn't believe it.  Another traitor?  Well, thanks to those mountain goblins, he now had a foolproof way to find the backstabbing lout.
"Boys!  It time for a new vote.  Tell them what you tell me."

Night One has ended!

notquitethere has been killed!

notquitethere was a Goblin Sergeant (Cop)

Day Two has begun, and will end on Friday, August 2 at 8:00pm CST

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