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[Trapezohedron]

Spoiler: Datamine meta spoiler (click to show/hide)

Does Gaster still exist?

Alphys was the successor to Gaster, which means he must have had disappeared before Alphys started the Determination experiments, right?

Where would that put Entry No. 17 in the timeline then?

[TempAcc]

Spoiler: Datamine meta spoiler (click to show/hide)

Does Gaster still exist?

Alphys was the successor to Gaster, which means he must have had disappeared before Alphys started the Determination experiments, right?

Where would that put Entry No. 17 in the timeline then?

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Currently people assume he exists in a quantum state (IE, he exists and at the same time does not exist) and Sans prooooobably is the only person left that still knows him/has memory of him. This is hinted multiple times, what with the quantum physics books in sans'/papyrus' house (which papyrus very likely does not read), sans' ability to travel through time, persist through reality resets and detect anomalies. During Sans' fight, he will talk about how "we discovered anomalies", which indicates that he's working with someone, which is very likely Gaster. The characters that show up with some datamining say Gaster got deleted from time and space after he fell "into his creation" which probably means the determination machine.

Entry n. 17 probably does not exist in the normal timeline anymore, as well.

Now, get this. Both Papyrus and Sans are skeletons, and they're both named after fonts. The WD in WD Gaster could probably mean WingDings, which is the font used in entry n. 17, attributed to Gaster, which likely means Gaster was/is a skeleton as well, and the "two" mentioned at the end of entry n. 17 were probably Sans and Papyrus, altough Papyrus never actualy mentions or does anything that would imply his awareness of sans' abilities or the time shenaningas, even though he's one of the few characters that remembers some stuff about your previous runs (I think, I dont really remember how it affects his conversations).

[Leafsnail]

Spoiler: Datamining (click to show/hide)

I think it's most likely that the Gaster stuff was cut at a late point in development.  It's possible it will be a sidequest in a patch in future.

[TempAcc]

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You can also meet a strange figure in an empty room in a run after some datamining, which is assumed to be Gaster. He doesnt talk and just disappears when you try to interact with him. If anything, Gaster is a "non direct" sequel hook. Toby did say he would likely never make a direct sequel to undertale, but he specifically said "direct sequel", meaning anything else is a possibily.

[Trapezohedron]

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In any case, Entry 17 does not exist in the normal timeline, but it does leave a skip to Alphys' entries in True Lab seeing how it skips straight to 18 without a terminal for 17.

Gaster probably going to be ninjapatched or Toby's gonna point it out on his website or maybe his romhack. Gaster's pretty dang meta.

Also to add to Sans likely allying himself with Gaster, the skulls he uses are called in data as Gasterblasters.

[umiman]

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and he only does 1 hp easiest enemy in the game

Spoiler: Genocide Final Boss (click to show/hide)

Hate you >_>

But Sans needs to calm down, like what's wrong with save points and resetting time? Silly time travelling skeleton.

AND THE TEXT EVERY TIME YOU START OVER IS INFURIATING. "Oh wait, you don't have any friends..."

I love the game over screen, though. "Stay determined!" is like the best message that they could put there for the bad times.

EDIT: Get dunked on...

Super-meta discussion:

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The reason why Sans acts like he does is several-fold.

1. The reason for his laziness is actually directly caused by you. It's implied that because he's gone through so many save-resets he doesn't even care any more. In his own words, why even bother doing anything in life if at any moment some arsehole can completely reset everything you've ever done arbitrarily. Also, it seems that while he knows the world is being reset, he doesn't seem to actually know how far back it's being reset to. So while you are resetting the world only 5 minutes back, it's quite likely Sans doesn't know that and only knows that the world has been reset... but no idea how far in the future he was supposed to be. The reason I say this is because unlike Flowey, he doesn't know any specifics about what you've done or what you've undone. In fact, most of the time he himself has to take guesses about what happened (e.g: if he dunked you or if you can time travel). Additionally...

2. I also believe that you are only playing the timelines that are only relevant to you. Sans seems to imply that the world and the timelines have been altered many more times than what you probably actually did yourself. He says this even if you did an entire genocide run without saving. Not to mention, if you remember when he tells you "you'd be dead where you stand" if it wasn't for Toriel, doesn't this seem to imply that he was fully aware of your ability the moment you left that door? Possibly prior? After all, what concievable reason would he have for killing you? He states himself he doesn't give a crap about breaking the seal or trying to reach the surface. Prior to this he never even met you either. Additionally, he seems very jaded straight from the get-go, like he knows everything that's going to happen already even if it's your very first game. I think this came around because...

3. I believe what Sans is capable of doing isn't simply being capable of knowing when the world has been reset or teleportation. I think he is also aware of all the other "dimensions" so to say.

Think of it this way:

a. A copy of Undertale is a "dimension". The copy and all the saves and information on your personal hard drive is a single dimension.
b. What you do in your dimension only affects yours. So if you save everyone in your dimension, only your dimension got saved. Similarly, if you killed everyone, your dimension got destroyed and is floating in the void.
c. Sans is able to collect information regarding dimensions separate to his own, games played on other computers by other people, but is currently experiencing your effects on himself in your current dimension.
d. Basically, he's seen how all the other games of Undertale have been played, and it's now his turn. He essentially read the Prima Games Guide Book for Undertale before playing the game.

Lastly...

4. Sans is probably not aware that there is someone other than Frisk that he's talking to. Not once does he refer to you like Flowey does all the time. I don't think he knows what is actually going on. He only sees the consequences of the actions but not the root cause. In his fight he talks at length about trying to figure out your motivations but he very obviously is trying to apply rational thought to what is essentially a player playing a game with the goal of killing everyone because of completion. It doesn't make sense.

In his eyes, there's kid capable of transcending time and space visiting dimensions. This kids actions are so completely random and arbitary it doesn't seem logical. Sometimes it kills everyone. Sometimes it saves everyone. However, when it comes to his world, it's killing everybody. He knows what happens if it succeeds. He needs to stop it. But how do you stop a god?

That's basically why he's being a dick.,

[TempAcc]

Spoiler: Moar meta (click to show/hide)

There is also the case of the machine in sans' room, covered with tarp. People suspect its some sort of time machine, which would kind of explain sans' awareness and maybe his uncanny ability to seemingly appear anywhere and move around through "shortcuts". The one dog that only sees things that move says he doesn't trust sans because of his ability to "move without moving".
However, some people say it might be a smaller version of the determination machine.

Determination is a pretty important thing in Undertale, and everyone that has it has the ability to persist through resets. Human souls apparently have innate determination, and its how Asriel managed to stick around as Flowey, even after losing his soul. Gaster probably created the determination machine. If sans is in cahoots with him, it would explain why sans uses the gasterblasters, which, mind you, look kinda familiar to the determination machine.

Meaning sans has, at one point, been injected with determination, giving him limited awareness of the time anomalies and resets, but remaining unable to do anything to change it. Its unclear if sans is aware of different "dimensions" and not just timelines, and it doesnt explain his apparent inability to notice the player, since he never actualy seems to say anything that would imply that he's not talking about frisk. Only flowey seems able to do that. The fallen child maaay be able to notice the player, but its never made clear, and when he asks for your soul to allow you to reset your save after a genotice run, its unclear wether he's asking for your (the player's) soul or Frisk's soul.

Another thing that keeps making me scratch my head is the fact that apparently both Sans and Papyrus are different from pretty much any monster in the game, and there are several hints that skeletons may not actualy be monsters at all. Even the snowdin people say that they both just kind of "appeared" one day.

[h3lblad3]

This whole thread has become nothing but spoilers. The title to it should be "Undertale: Nothing but Spoilers".

[Putnam]

Spoiler: Datamining (click to show/hide)

I think it's most likely that the Gaster stuff was cut at a late point in development.  It's possible it will be a sidequest in a patch in future.

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No, definitely not. Pretty much all of it is found by moving stuff in undertale.ini around, including one value ("fun") which only works when the first letter is capitalized. It appears to be an intentional secret for people who like to mess around with saves.

[Leafsnail]

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The ini is full of all the variables that make the game tick - eg there's counters for how many monsters you've killed in each area for the genocide run and a variable that turns when you're in the pacifist post-game stage.  The "Fun" variable could just be what he was using to track progress through this incomplete quest.

[Moghjubar]

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Yea, theres lots of rooms you can edit yourself into, a 'Gasters Theme' music thing in a sound test room, and all sorts of things.  Its basically a hacking puzzle/teaser.

[UristMcDwarf]

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hey guys

[quinnr]

I was supposed to be taking notes in class but I just doodled instead.

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...I later wrote the definition of the word "curtilage" but that was it.


Undertale _is_ nothing but spoilers!

[BigD145]

Undertale _is_ nothing but spoilers!

[Qmarx]

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The ini is full of all the variables that make the game tick - eg there's counters for how many monsters you've killed in each area for the genocide run and a variable that turns when you're in the pacifist post-game stage.  The "Fun" variable could just be what he was using to track progress through this incomplete quest.

Toby's confirmed that the variable is bugged - it should be capitalized in the ini file but isn't, so the game never reads it properly.

It gets a random value on each playthrough, the initial idea seems to be that players would have a small chance of seeing something weird and creepy that other people wouldn't. 

The capitalization will be fixed in the next patch.


Toby also said that there is very little in the game files that's unused, but only to share things once you figure out how to get there from within the game.