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[dennislp3]

In close range SMGs are instant death to just about anyone. As a sniper they make a great secondary because they have good pickup rates and if you are sniping properly you shouldn't need to use it too much. Fire control and headshots will get you a long way with them too

[BurnedToast]

@BurnedToast

First off, find me a 40-dam when silenced assault rifle (that is not DLC, at least, I can't speak for DLC content). Dealing the same damage as that is pretty damn good by me

7.62 has, IIRC, 30 less ammo, so a full mag less, than the AMCAR, at 30-90 when full. Meanwhile, it is powerful enough to be effective fired single-shot, and speaking of which, powerful enough at my setup to have a bodyshot 1HK on a blue SWAT, whereas AMCAR would require more spraying and thus more ammo per kill. All with a silencer and decent concealability.

Why does it need to be silenced? there's no reason to ever silence your primary weapon. You are hurting yourself for no reason.

AMCAR is one of the worst weapons in the game, it's not really something you should compare other guns to. It's the starting newbie gun for a reason.

In close range SMGs are instant death to just about anyone. As a sniper they make a great secondary because they have good pickup rates and if you are sniping properly you shouldn't need to use it too much. Fire control and headshots will get you a long way with them too

There's only 3 SMGs that can hit 40 damage, Uzi, Patchett, and specops

Patchett is ok but the ammo is not so good

Specops has painfully bad accuracy

Uzi is really good, can be modded to hit 40 damage + have perfect accuracy and very high stability, and still have decentish concealment

Kobus and Swedish K can hit 40 on the weapons screen, but it's a lie - they do 39.5, the game rounds it up on the weapons screen but down in game (for some stupid reason)

Hitting 40 for your secondary is not absolutely 100% critical but it's a pretty big and noticeable difference in power.

I'd like to find a use for the Nagant rifle against the other sniper rifles, but it just feels wrong. Maybe it's my scope, or maybe it just feels really inaccurate, I'unno.

All sniper rifles are hardcoded to be 100% accurate when you're aiming down the scope (or using ironsight on nagant) and not moving, regardless of the accuracy stat.

I like to use the nagant with ironsights as a DMR for dodge builds, since you can just barely hit the cap with a high concealment secondary like gruber.

And the beautiful thing about payday is that just about any weapon can be made feasible. I'm a huge fan of a slightly modded JP36, and that's despite having all the weapon DLC - it's very much my close quarters assault rifle of choice.

I guess it's true for overkill, but some weapons are just so bad it makes me sad to see people use them even if anything can work if you and your team are good enough.

[Mini]

Sniper rifles scopes have sway while where the bullet goes seems to not (instead always going to he centre of the screen), so if you're aiming using the scope then you're liable to be off by a little bit.

[BurnedToast]

Are you, uh, are you sure about the sniper accuracy bit? Do you have to be not moving for a long span of time, or not making rapid shots? I know I move a lot, but the Nagant feels painfully inaccurate even when I'm not, and I've tried tacking other snipers with other sniper rifles down the scope with absolutely no effect. It's uncanny.

It seems I was not correct, the guy who datamined the info apparently messed up in the way it's calculated.

However, they still do "cheat" the system and if you are stationary, they are close enough to perfectly accurate that they are effectively 100% accurate (especially at the ranges the game takes place). It's only when you are moving that it really becomes noticeable.

But the game sort of does simulate breathing, and it works kind of screwy with sniper sights..

Sniper rifles scopes have sway while where the bullet goes seems to not (instead always going to he centre of the screen), so if you're aiming using the scope then you're liable to be off by a little bit.

^^^ this

Long version is in the long guide, TL;DR version is up close sometimes the bullet does not go to the sight because of the way they implemented breathing. It's a problem with all sights but the higher the zoom the more noticeable it is.

Which might be the problem you have.

[sjm9876]

Welp, those turret vans have doomed any chance of completing the tabula rasa weekly for me.

[nenjin]

Why does this fucking game put out a 200meg patch every day? If I was paying for my bandwidth, I'm pretty sure Payday 2 alone would bankrupt me.

[scrdest]

Why does this fucking game put out a 200meg patch every day? If I was paying for my bandwidth, I'm pretty sure Payday 2 alone would bankrupt me.

Spring Break. New shit's added daily, hence the patching.

[nenjin]

Why does this fucking game put out a 200meg patch every day? If I was paying for my bandwidth, I'm pretty sure Payday 2 alone would bankrupt me.

Spring Break. New shit's added daily, hence the patching.

Can't just be Spring Break. It patches more than any game I own in my Steam library.

[sjm9876]

Welp, those turret vans have doomed any chance of completing the tabula rasa weekly for me.

Worth noting ECMs have.... interesting effects. Not that that helps tabula rasa, but still.

[RexMundi]

So, car heist. i'm stumped.

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how do i know which pc is the IT guys? am i just blind?

[Teneb]

Cross-posting from own thread. How to get the mask below.

Got the Tids mask in the Car Shop heist. Had to do it solo (people were being stupid and activated computers at random) and had a lot of close calls in previous attempts (once, I did it in 4:05 (needs to be in less than 4)), but I eventually did it.

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Payday 2

Spoiler: HOW TO GET THE MASK (click to show/hide)

First things first: the loadout. What drop item (ammo/med/ecm/etc) you take is irrelevant. Your weapons do not need to be silenced, but try to use one that does not weight you down nor has little ammo. Use the suit, no armour (THIS IS IMPORTANT). You need to do it solo.

The shop has two floors. The manager's office is the second door to the right in the second floor, but needs a keycard. The manager is the only man wearing a suit. The first door to the right on the second floor has one computer. The room opposite to the manager's has 8 or so computers. There is an additional computer room on the first floor, but ignore that. In one of two spots (one in the first floor, one in the second) is a storage room, it is the only room with a keypad by the door.

Press enter to skip Bain's dialogue in the start. As soon as you do that, hold the button you use to put on the mask (default: G). This will result in you putting on the mask about one second after you gain control. Rush into the shop and just shoot the guards as you see them. Try to find the manager, once you do just shoot him and pick up the keycard from the floor. If you can't find the manager in about 20 to 30 seconds, restart. With keycard in hand, rush to his office and turn around. There should be a whiteboard with a name. Remember it. Head out, check the door to the room to your left: there should be a nameplate next to it. If it's the name, good, enter and use the computer. If not, try the room opposite to the manager's. In each desk there is a nameplate, check them and see if they match. If you didn't find a match, it is on the ground floor: so restart.

Once you activate the correct computer, you got to wait about 90 seconds. So head out of the shop back to your van. There will be a bag of C4 there. Take it and place it in the indicated spots. Once done, there should be 50 seconds left on the hacking, so find the storage room and wait by the door. Once the hacking is done, the door will be unlocked. Open it, open the case inside and take a key. If the room was on the second floor, just jump out a window to get to the cars faster. The bombs will blow, get into a car (MAKE SURE IT'S THE DRIVER'S SIDE!) and drive into the hole the bombs made. Then you got to drive through a mostly static course, eventually arriving at a group of containers. Drive the car inside one of the open ones and leave it (interaction key, default F) and rush to the van.

It may take some tries to get it under 4 minutes. Hope I helped.

[KingofstarrySkies]

oh my god it's so hard ;~;

[Teneb]

oh my god it's so hard ;~;

The heist itself is pretty easy even in solo stealth. And I am pretty bad in Payday 2 stealth in general (haven't acquired the samurai mask from shadow raid, for example). Doing a mask run in the car shop pretty much means you need to roll well in the random parts and ignore the "stealth only" part.

How many days until the Hoxton Revenge again?

[sjm9876]

Hox Revenge today!!!!

Also finished tabula rasa last night. Had a swat van obstacle and turret spawn and still had a flawless run

[Teneb]

The revenge is here. It was... a bit underwhelming, I feel. Is the traitor randomized? I've yet to run it a second time, but I wouldn't put it past them to randomize it.