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[Kansa]

The launch price is even worse in the UK with it being £429

[timferius]

Yes, I guess I should note that $499 is American Dollars.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/xbox-ones-live-tv-will-not-be-available-in-australia-at-launch-requires-a-separate-device/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/xbox-one-in-australia-were-looking-at-the-nuances-in-each-market/

Oh Microsoft. Never change.

[timferius]

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/xbox-ones-live-tv-will-not-be-available-in-australia-at-launch-requires-a-separate-device/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/xbox-one-in-australia-were-looking-at-the-nuances-in-each-market/

Oh Microsoft. Never change.

Wait, there's a market for video games and t.v. outside of North America? I thought you guys just rolled hoops down streets with sticks or something for entertainment? Huh. I'll go back to my igloo to eat my poutine now.

[da_nang]

I'm pretty sure we all saw that coming.

[majikero]

Why yes, this new XBox is not just for gamers anymore, it'll be the center of your living room for the whole family!

Warning: Everything not related to video games are sold separately.

[nenjin]

MS and Sony said the same thing when they launched the PS3 and 360. "And all-in-one media device for the whole family."

And it didn't pan out. The Wii has a bigger place in most people's living room than either the PS3 or 360.

So good luck to them, doubling down on the mythical unicorn that is a game console being the dominant media device in every household. Right next to the PC, Tivo, tablets and smart phones.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

I'm pretty sure we all saw that coming.

Indeed, although you have to admit that solely marketing features that are unavailable to a sizeable portion of the market is pretty damn hilarious. Microsoft failed to deliver GFWL to a large amount of countries and Live TV will only be worse.
Plus there's confirmed region locking! Huzzah! Keeping those games pure from foreign devils since '05.

[alexandertnt]

Thankfully, my TV has a TV built in

[Knight of Fools]

The Wii has a bigger place in most people's living room than either the PS3 or 360.

Heck, the Wii has a bigger place in most people's living room than the WiiU.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

The Wii has a bigger place in most people's living room than either the PS3 or 360.

Heck, the Wii has a bigger place in most people's living room than the WiiU.

In terms of sales, it hasn't beaten the PS2 or PS1.

[nenjin]

I don't think anything has to date, has it?

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I don't think anything has to date, has it?

No.  In fact, the PS1 is second in most consoles sold.  The DS figure is coming close, but that figure includes the original, lite, dsi, and dsixl.

[Kaje]

I genuinely believe that Microsoft have dropped the ball with the Xbox One.

So far, we have...

1) A higher price point by around £80/$100
2) Alienated the used games market
3) Alienated the Asian market (not released until late 2014)
4) The TV based stuff (most of it's selling point) will not be available in Europe until mid 2014
5) The 'always on' Kinect...spy much?

I was a Xbox fanboy up until I decided to splash some disposable income on a PS3 a few years ago. The idea was I'd buy one to try it and then sell it on again when I realised it was awful, and go back to my 360. I haven't played my 360 since - and whilst I'd hoped the Xbox One might win me back to Microsoft, it hasn't.

[hemmingjay]

Kaje,
The asian market late release was expected a bit, as PS usually outsells them there anyway, especially initially.
The used games issue is still undecided by MS and they state that there will be a strong market for used games.
The TV features sucks, but the issue holding it up is licensing and regulations in EU.
The always on Kinnect features has already been clarified with individuals being able to set their privacy to whatever they want. For example, my paranoid wife already makes sure we unplug the kinnect when it's not in use.

The price difference is because Sony needed a strategy to make the price difference seem clear, so they took out the PS4eye camera. You have to buy that separately and to be honest I am grateful. Sony has poorly implemented their camera sensor games technology while MS has some gems with it and some awful examples. The Xbox one clearly has implemented it in a whole new way and time will tell if it's going to be better. It should also be noted that the hardware of the Kinnect vs the PS4eye is almost an entire hardware generation.
One final issue is the games on offer for launch from both companies, which looks like a decided advantage for MS for most people.

I will be buying both systems as I think they will each have something to offer. I will just be buying the Xbox at launch and the PS4 a couple of months later when competitive pricing kicks in again.
TLDR: there is no clear winner, only one clear loser which is always the consumer.