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[Alkhemia]

Isn't Spark exactly the sort of game you're talking about?

Anyway, news says the PS4 will not be region-locked. That is... pretty big news. Man, it is just one shot of "caring about our customers" after another from Playstation now...

Well the PS has not been region lock since PS2 days so not all the surprising the games can still be region lock like Persona 4 Arena (only region lock game on the PS3) it really has nothing to do with the system.

[majikero]

I'm still leaning towards WiiU for my next-gen options even if people tell me WiiU is a current-gen console. Depending on how fast the developers move on to the next gen console, the PS3 will still see alot of use.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm still leaning towards WiiU for my next-gen options even if people tell me WiiU is a current-gen console. Depending on how fast the developers move on to the next gen console, the PS3 will still see alot of use.

Hell -- They still release some new sports games on the PS2. I can see that.

Also, if you haven't decided on WiiU one way or the other: Check this out.

[hemmingjay]

Pretty honest and objective comparison http://gizmodo.com/playstation-4-vs-xbox-one-a-feature-by-feature-showdo-512606959

Especially the last line.

[Kansa]

The xbox one will only work in certain countries 

[Malus]

Oh, another thing that PS4 has going for it is supporting the "indies" as it were.

They both support Indies. In fact the Xbox 360 sold more indies than anyone, both professional indie games through their arcade market and then garage and homebrew indies through their "indie section" of their store. Sony had no use for indies on the PS3 and it was probably for the best. Their digital store was a bit of  disaster. I am happy they will be charging a monthly fee now so they can put some resources into their store.

Important to note that pretty much every single major indie dev who's developed XBLA games for the 360 with Microsoft has later gone on to say they'd never do it again (Bastion, Braid, Fez, and Super Meat Boy devs immediately spring to mind.) While there's no reason to assume Sony will handle things better, their self-publishing initiative is a hell of a lot more interesting than anything Microsoft's got going for it (Indie Games doesn't count, being the black sheep of the Xbox Live Marketplace -- have you tried navigating that thing?)

[hemmingjay]

Oh, another thing that PS4 has going for it is supporting the "indies" as it were.

They both support Indies. In fact the Xbox 360 sold more indies than anyone, both professional indie games through their arcade market and then garage and homebrew indies through their "indie section" of their store. Sony had no use for indies on the PS3 and it was probably for the best. Their digital store was a bit of  disaster. I am happy they will be charging a monthly fee now so they can put some resources into their store.

Important to note that pretty much every single major indie dev who's developed XBLA games for the 360 with Microsoft has later gone on to say they'd never do it again (Bastion, Braid, Fez, and Super Meat Boy devs immediately spring to mind.) While there's no reason to assume Sony will handle things better, their self-publishing initiative is a hell of a lot more interesting than anything Microsoft's got going for it (Indie Games doesn't count, being the black sheep of the Xbox Live Marketplace -- have you tried navigating that thing?)

You are absolutely right, it is a terrible nightmare for indie devs as the contracts are designed to screw over the devs with a crazy % of sales going to MS. It was incredibly profitable for MS which is why PS wants in on it. It will most likely force them both to take a smaller cut going forward, it still won't be ideal. An indie doesn't have a big distributor as a partner, so they have no weight to throw around in negotiations. I know this from personal, professional experience. What big issue going forward will be update schedules. PS only pushed updates on certain days of the week/month and Xbox is quite responsive. Both may change this in the future, but if not, then indies are at a major disadvantage as their games tend to need frequent patching initially.

Long story short, consoles are a terrible environment for indies.

[Tellemurius]

Also another point against indies and Microsoft, Microsoft has announced the XNA framework will be dead next year which was the main bridge between indie devs and XBLA. They are definitely trying to force these guys to sign contracts into expensive licensing and dev kits.

[hemmingjay]

It was thought to be that but now it appears there is a replacement for XNA on the horizon and I am told that it's not going to be any different of a deal financially for commercially created games. Supposedly the toolset is a lot more capable and up to date than the aging XNA.

first source, http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-hints-at-replacement-for-xna-for-xbox-one-indie-game-creators

I will post the others when I get home later.

[Moghjubar]

Also, if you haven't decided on WiiU one way or the other: Check this out.

If only I could find a copy of Xenoblade itself that isn't a retarded price. Or rent it.  Or borrow it. 

Hell, if it gets re-released on Wii U as well it might actually be cheaper to buy a Wii U and the re-release.

[da_nang]

The xbox one will only work in certain countries

Well, that screws over ~90% of the world. No really, that's 1 - 21/204 = 0.897... ~ 0.9 i.e. 90%. There's not even a single eastern European country in there.

[Sensei]

For those who didn't scroll down:

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Brazil
    Canada
    Denmark
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Ireland
    Italy
    Mexico
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Russia
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United Kingdom
    United States

Seems like they pretty much entirely ignored Asia(), Africa, the middle east, eastern Europe, and countries like Portugal and Iceland and such.

Edit: Also apparently you need at least a 720P HDTV, and it's HDMI only. I dunno how relevant that is to most people but I did know people in college who still had their Xbox 360's hooked up to old CRT televisions.

[Silent_Thunder]

For those who didn't scroll down:

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Brazil
    Canada
    Denmark
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Ireland
    Italy
    Mexico
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Russia
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United Kingdom
    United States

Seems like they pretty much entirely ignored Asia(), Africa, the middle east, eastern Europe, and countries like Portugal and Iceland and such.

Edit: Also apparently you need at least a 720P HDTV, and it's HDMI only. I dunno how relevant that is to most people but I did know people in college who still had their Xbox 360's hooked up to old CRT televisions.

I really wish I knew where this quote came from, all I know is it's in my pastebin, but it sums this up perfectly. Al I know is I got it from someone else who copy pasted it from somewhere else.

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The gaming industry is bizarre. It is not an industry of success. It is an industry of your competitor, your direct head to head competitor, tripping over their dick and faceplanting into a bunch of shit. The only reason Sony got ground with the PS1 is because Nintendo fucked them with a deal and then went with carts for N64 and spent so many years pissing off third parties that everyone was willing to jump ship. The Saturn fucking killed itself by dropping into stores that were only Kmarts. The PS3 fucked up its entire early launch cycle by going a year late $200 more. And if you can just keep your company not shitty, if you can make a not terrible product, and your competitor makes an awful one, you’re the one who gets all the money.

[stabbymcstabstab]

I blame the internet for the current console market.

[hemmingjay]

I REALLY hope I can shut off all of that automatic social integration crap on the PS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynmuD6Q1_8&feature=player_embedded

I'd rather have strangers watching me through my hacked kinnect than have everyone I know see that I purchased some of the stuff I buy , i.e. games, movies, etc. Ok, I hate the idea of both equally.