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[pisskop]

The mental health is an important consideration.  Men and women do behave differently, and think differently, down to the chemical.

I don't think they cant do it, I think putting them with men on a boat that's underway for three months and only surfaces once a week for less than two hours is a mistake.

The mental health is not a different test, afaik.  Its measuring the capacity.  I've been under the impressions theyve been weedling down the requirements to help women.

[Vector]

I'll add that I've done a lot of looking for differences in stress response articles.

What's said is that men go for "fight or flight," and women go for "tend and befriend."  Which one of these is probably better for group cohesiveness?

Now, I'm sure that someone meant some different research, but this is what I could find thus far, so I figured I'd bring it up.

And cocaine in rats, my bad.  Some of us still have classes to attend.

I feel you, bro.  I'm in the middle of a 15-page paper.

[Lovechild]

Submarines sound horrible, I can't believe we're letting men onto those things.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Submarines probably will be one of the first parts of the military to be semi or fully automated, because they are indeed pretty horrible (and all that life support is a waste of space if you can just have computers do the work).

[Loud Whispers]

No, I didn't say those things.

Then when you have said 'oppression, acceptance, understanding, doubt,' and being 'receptive,' they have not meant what you think they mean.

Your putting words in my mouth, then telling me that I don't know what understand what I am saying.

No you said that right here:

Genetics can be the result of oppression.

Acceptance is the beginning of understanding.  Doubt is the next step, and only works if you are receptive to the possibility of new ideas.

Then I'm telling you those words; they are not what you think they mean, if what I described was not what you intended.

If you see any ad hominems, point 'em out to me.

Eh, this forum doesn't do much of that. Least of not you! It's just people still do authority appeals and all that.

And a list of "female health problems" that aren't exactly female health problems.

Pregnancy and different living conditions under health.
Current issue I've been trying to address is that the standards are lowered for female rates. The worst rates they are sending are not on an equal performance with the worst male rates sent.

Submarines probably will be one of the first parts of the military to be semi or fully automated, because they are indeed pretty horrible (and all that life support is a waste of space if you can just have computers do the work).

Taking the human out of war is always a bad decision in my opinion.

[Willfor]

The mental health is an important consideration.  Men and women do behave differently, and think differently, down to the chemical.

Are you going to put an asterisk on this to note the fact that it's only generally true? If it worked like this all the time we wouldn't have transgendered individuals, or any number of the possibilities on the very broad spectrum that is the human experience.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Submarines probably will be one of the first parts of the military to be semi or fully automated, because they are indeed pretty horrible (and all that life support is a waste of space if you can just have computers do the work).

Taking the human out of war is always a bad decision in my opinion.

Your opinions will not change cost effectiveness. We are entering an age of automated war machines, it is thus fortunate that we are also entering an age of peace.

[Lovechild]

Submarines probably will be one of the first parts of the military to be semi or fully automated, because they are indeed pretty horrible (and all that life support is a waste of space if you can just have computers do the work).

I imagine debaters in the 2020s will argue that humans are far too fragile and emotional to be allowed in the military, and that war should be left to the strong and focused robots.

[pisskop]

The mental health is an important consideration.  Men and women do behave differently, and think differently, down to the chemical.

Are you going to put an asterisk on this to note the fact that it's only generally true? If it worked like this all the time we wouldn't have transgendered individuals, or any number of the possibilities on the very broad spectrum that is the human experience.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2711771/

Physically different.  Not sure if social differences account for the differences or genetic or what.  I'm sure studies will eventually be done.

[tahujdt]

Submarines probably will be one of the first parts of the military to be semi or fully automated, because they are indeed pretty horrible (and all that life support is a waste of space if you can just have computers do the work).

Taking the human out of war is always a bad decision in my opinion.

Your opinions will not change cost effectiveness. We are entering an age of automated war machines, it is thus fortunate that we are also entering an age of peace.

I know that someone's going to challenge that, so I'll just quote the statistics now and say that deaths due to war are down by 50% since the 90s.

[Loud Whispers]

Your opinions will not change cost effectiveness. We are entering an age of automated war machines, it is thus fortunate that we are also entering an age of peace.

Screw the money I have opinions!

[Vector]

Submarines sound horrible, I can't believe we're letting men onto those things.

Yeah, and men have a much higher suicide rate and all that.  It'd be safer to replace them with female-only crews

[/trolling]

Eh, this forum doesn't do much of that. Least of not you! It's just people still do authority appeals and all that.

Yes, well. . . if you see any of that from me, too, then you should point that out >_>

Pregnancy and different living conditions under health.
Current issue I've been trying to address is that the standards are lowered for female rates. The worst rates they are sending are not on an equal performance with the worst male rates sent.

Yes, but that had nothing to do with that article.

Here's the thing that I keep on trying to tell people about the math department.  At my university, a woman was denied tenure and sued for misogyny (she had a solid case; the guy who vetoed her said something about staying in the kitchen or similar).  Nowadays, people still question whether she has a right to teach at my school, saying that she's not exactly the best of the best.

But that's the thing--why should we only hire women who can compete with "the best of the best?"  We'll hire talented men and best-of-the-best men, but only best-of-the-best women can be hired?  That doesn't make sense!

Similarly, we've got all those people talking about how we need more female directors being wildly successful.  Well, no, we also need to act like female directors have the right to make shitty B movies, same as every dude.  Why should women have to be better than men in order to be considered equal?

So this is what I'm trying to say.  What you say about the worst women being worse than the worst men does not matter as long as they all surpass a particular baseline.


Oh, and for everyone so worried about menstruation: we already solved that problem.

Given the paucity of information on menstrual cycle effects, this paper will review studies that evaluated differences between men and women regardless of whether the menstrual cycle was controlled, and will make note of menstrual cycle effects when known.

I hope they're also controlling for this.

[DJ]

What's said is that men go for "fight or flight," and women go for "tend and befriend."  Which one of these is probably better for group cohesiveness?

In immediate danger, ie under enemy fire, I'd rather go with the former.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What's said is that men go for "fight or flight," and women go for "tend and befriend."  Which one of these is probably better for group cohesiveness?

In immediate danger, ie under enemy fire, I'd rather go with the former.

It's an irrelevance, as the behaviors are only trended by gender, not decided. Anyone would fight under attack. You could also make the argument that "tend and befriend" is good for instilling deeper group loyalty and thus a more fierce fight when the group is threatened.

[Loud Whispers]

Yes, but that had nothing to do with that article.

Which one? I'm a bit lost here.

But that's the thing--why should we only hire women who can compete with "the best of the best?"  We'll hire talented men and best-of-the-best men, but only best-of-the-best women can be hired?  That doesn't make sense!

If you're talking about the military on the front lines, it's because people's lives rest on the quality of those soldiers.
If you're talking about submarines in the nuclear nations, it's because they are literally run by the best of the best and carry WMDs.
So it should be the best of the best irregardless of gender.

So this is what I'm trying to say.  What you say about the worst women being worse than the worst men does not matter as long as they all surpass a particular baseline.

That particular baseline being lower than the male baseline. Why not let people who are diseased in? Why not those with physical disabilities too? Pass a standard baseline for both genders with no discrimination, the quality is assured and equal opportunity is given.
Otherwise you are giving an advantage to less-abled persons simply for being a woman.

Yeah, and men have a much higher suicide rate and all that.  It'd be safer to replace them with female-only crews

[/trolling]

Who's to say this could't work?

What's said is that men go for "fight or flight," and women go for "tend and befriend."  Which one of these is probably better for group cohesiveness?

In immediate danger, ie under enemy fire, I'd rather go with the former.

Vector just did generalizations!
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