Tiruin- vote count, would you kindly?
Here is where I will answer any points you made in your last post Griffion.
Notes on where I see your actions as violating town etiquette:
1: If someone is applying pressure on someone you don't see as scummy, think about why they are doing so. Even if you can't see their case give them some time to develop it. Maybe they saw hints of something that you missed and are applying pressure to see if they can get their target to display it again so they can show the rest of town. On the other hand maybe they don't really have a case and are just applying pressure to look like they are doing something. Again by waiting for a bit you can observe them and see if their case develops into something substantial, if it doesn't and they don't back off then they are probably either guilty of tunneling or are scum; in either case pressure is appropriate to get them to rethink their case a bit.
2: This is something that I personally have major difficulties with but: Just because they have a different play-style than you, doesn't make their play-style wrong. This is critical to remember, especially for us newer players; being different than we expect doesn't make them scum, being similar to what we consider to be scum makes them scum, and that is very hard to differentiate in the middle of the game.
I actually don't remember hearing this before but I actually like what it has to say. I simply thought it was too soon for an all out push so I intervened and I never really considered the differing play styles and how they affect my perspective of scum. Please refer to my earlier posts to see why I thought Vectors playstyle would be poor for the group, not just poor for my "zen" as some people have come to call it.
Your original post was decent by itself as you presented a simi-reasonable (if stupid, more on that in a bit), but by posting that second bit you wreck any pressure your vote could have had, showing that you really don't care where your vote is. As town, your vote is a weapon as you can use it to levy pressure on people, as scum your vote is a liability as you will be judged on the strength of your case and if you're not able to defend it you will be outed. Of course if you can show that "Oh that was just a pressure vote" you're safe, so a weak vote is a natural defense for scum.
I don't see that. I was just putting some icing on the cake, I say any vote applies pressure.
I'm honestly a bit disappointed.
Part of my scum hunting technique is to engineer situations where scum and town would naturally act differently. I leave outs in my arguments after a certain amount of pressure to bait scum into grabbing on to them, as town will typically ignore these and try to prove their innocence via explaining their actions as best they can. Leaving these outs gives me additional information on the type of panic my target is doing: which I hope you can see would be useful.
What you attacked was not one of these situations. I made it clear in my post that I saw that the content of what I was saying was borderline buddying, but I felt that this was a rare instance where it would actually help strengthen town by keeping one of our strongest scum-hunters active and engaged rather than standing by and letting her be worn out by your frankly idiotic attack (see above for why it was idiotic). My question is; are you ACTIVELY trying to weaken the strongest town members (which she has a 7/9 chance of being)? Because if not; why are you so insistent that everyone play this game exactly as you wish them to, especially those with years more experience than you?
First the buddy buddy part. Buddying is something that I frown upon, if you choose just a select person. I'm all for trying to be friendly to everyone (to an extent of course) but just going up to Vector and saying, "if you scratch my back, you scratch mine" reads as a scummy move to me. Moving on. I apologize for not attacking the point you wanted me to? I don't know how to respond to that properly. I saw something I didn't like and I brought it up. Your post didn't very clearly stare why my "attack" was idiodic because we have a butt-tonne of information on Vector Lenglon and myself. Other than having to defend myself from a multitude of posts I don't really see what went wrong. Please clarify.
Desperate to distance yourself? I ask because you explain your vote as based on Shinigami assuming one of you must be scum, but the section you quoted simply doesn't assume that at all.
How weak! You are really going all out on me if all you can say to pressure Lenglon is that. Why such a weak attempt?
Moving on I will attempt, key word attempt, to scumhunt. I am tired though and I am lacking a bit in the skills department here but here goes nothing.
For those who choose to check on the game, see White losing by the lack of knights and Black ahead by a Rook and Pawn. The Chessboard is like a ruined city, wherein stone debris of destroyed constructs litter the area--just enough to show the brutality of war on a physical scale.
Taking some flavour as a possible hint, the black rook and pawn would symbolize the two scum, the pawn being vanilla and the rook being the power role. That or perhaps just the stronger player of the two. The text would suggest that I have been poking up the wrong tree and have provoked the black rook. The people I have attacked thus far are Daygriff and Vector. Just some food for thought. You know,
Wow... Your storytelling is really articulate. I love it!!!
I think I have to agree.
Because I am going to try to find a case on everyone in a short time span don't expect anything grand here. Just some questions and some points I would like to... well... point out.
Daygriff- I wont point out them all or anything but you have a tonne of posts that point out flaws of my gameplay even though I had already excused myself for them. A good example is when you accuse me of not scumhunting when I openly said that I would not post anything with weight until late at night. At least two or three times before your post.
Your question-Now that it is the night of monday, you are capable of pointing out lurkers and active lurkers. What are your reads on activity specifically. If they are active lurking, how so? If they are active, are they active in a positive, negative, neutral way or something else.
Vector- You said that you were waiting for ford. Well he is here now and you are nowhere to be seen. Please post, you were incredibly active at first but you are fading into obscurity.
Here is your question- Who do you know here from meta game. Are they behaving normally or abnormally? How so?
Cheesecake- Lurking... Lurking...
Lurking. I can't say anything else because you know. You seem to be lurking. This game requires a lot of time so I tend to expect to much from people but you are MIA and "
that is, no good"- sonic the hedgehog.
your question- I want reads. (sorry Vector, I notice you are looking for the same.) Not just simple reads, full, thorough, in depth reads of everyone here. Almost everyone has posted a quantity of content so you should have lots to work with here.
And I need to go, I will post something continuing this post tomorrow but I'm turning in for the night now.
I got the people I wanted most but I will find time for everyone else as well. For future me, when I want to remember who I missed
-Lenglon
-RangerCado
-Demdemeh
-PupGriff
-CaptainFord
I think that is everyone. Good night.
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