1. why would a towny want to narrow down a scums house number. We should scumhunt. Not try to find them in the middle of the night. This method is likely dangerous because you may come in contact with the scum and it does not seem efficient.
2. Of course it is reliant on them being scum.. well, not exactly. It is boosted if they are both scum. I am sure that at least one of them is scum and finding inconsistencies in the actions taken by the two people I find scummiest is something I would class as a scumtell. My point still can stand on it's own even if nerjin wasn't scum however.
3. The reason I stated "a lot of fluff" was because I figured what he said was obvious and didn't require being said. By saying it, he would apear to be on top of things but he would really just be saying the obvious thing that everyone was already thinking. Why do you think so many people saw ranger as scum? Because of these inconsistencies really.
4.No one said that ranger knows how to take advantage of a situation. It would have been easy for him to use my points. He just didn't because he was turtleing and trying to hide from the swift and painful blows of Dar. What I am trying to say is, my points are still valid and can't be thrown out the window that easily. Dar had to at least take my opinions into account, which he didn't seem to do.
5.Your opinion so I have nothing really to say there.
6.You can make assumptions right off the bat. "Oh, nerjin was scummy so IG will likely try to suck up" or "I'm surprised he hasn't posted yet due to Nerjin's track record, he has a lot to make up for". That's all. Anything. Any insight, but from Dariush, nothing, nada, zip.
7. Once again, it's more inconsistencies that make him scummy. If they were both scum that would strengthen all my theories but they do still stand by themselves.
8.I'm sorry for making a case differently than how you would prefer. I prefer analyzing over direct, "you're wrong 'cause of this". Also, my main complaint with this wasn't that he was calling cado scum but that his entire case felt like he was utilizing catch 22 to make him inevitably right and look good. Also taking the easy route and just plowing on through weak players definitely make him look scummy to me.
9.My main point was that ranger could have raised the bar to prevent scum from finding him out easily. Also, please take into account that these are quotes from the time that it was all happening so while right now we know that ranger wasn't thinking that way at the time we didn't know and Dariush surely saw all the flaws to his attack and the defenses of cado.
10.His statement may or may not be right depending on the conditions of the scum NK's. In this game, even though he wasn't a threat to mafia he might have been an easy target. In other words, scum might have still had intensive to NK him.
11.Yes. Bandwagoning is a scumtell.
12.I don't know what paragraph you are referring to.
I would have put that quote in a spoiler but it wouldn't format properly for me :\
Huh. You're right. The spoiler function is completely obtuse. Ah well, you guys will just have to suffer through it.
1. Ever heard of a vigilante? An asteroid of death comes to mind. How about a cop? Maybe a doctor? All of these roles would theoretically require you to know the house number of your target. You'd either want to find out who to target or learn who's house to avoid. My point is that there are myriad reasons for town to attempt to find out the numbers of other people. Scum also have incentive to do so of course, but in no way is this a scumtell.
2. You literally state (looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy.”) How is this point not reliant on Nerjin being scum?
3. Ranger clearly wasn't getting it. Someone had to point it out to him. I believe this is still a valuable example of when Daruish contributed, and the fact that you completely blew by it without anything to say other then casually labeling it fluff shows complete close-mindedness at best, and downright scumminess at worst. Do you see yourself as having a completely bias attitude towards Dariush?
4. You are and have made up various reasons for why Cado would of done the things he did. The fact is, those weren't his reasons. He explained his reasons, and these weren't it. So no, your excuses for why Cado did things weren't valid. I never once considered your explanations for his actions valid. Does that make me scum?
6. Your question was literally, "How scummy do you find Guardsmen?" You asked this BEFORE Gaurdsmen ever posted. I have a question for you. How scummy did you find Guardsmen before he ever posted?
7. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!! DO YOU NEED A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF IG'S POSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PLAYING BAD?
8. So... It's a scumtell to attack weak players? Also, Do you disagree with anything specific in that post? It looks like a general attack on Dariush, with nothing to do with the actual post. And why did you never mention catch 22 in your first explanation, if that was your "main complaint"?
9. Okay. Explain to me how that makes him scum.
10. What incentive would that be?
11. Agreed. How about "leading a bandwagon"?
HAha! I got the spoiler working
1. Ever heard of a vigilante? An asteroid of death comes to mind. How about a cop? Maybe a doctor? All of these roles would theoretically require you to know the house number of your target. You'd either want to find out who to target or learn who's house to avoid. My point is that there are myriad reasons for town to attempt to find out the numbers of other people. Scum also have incentive to do so of course, but in no way is this a scumtell.
I wasn't really thinking from this perspective. I was thinking from the perspective of a vanilla town having no reason to want to come across the bullies at night.
2. You literally state (looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy.”) How is this point not reliant on Nerjin being scum?
I am looking at inconsistencies. Like I said, one of the two is definitely scum and watching Dariush brush off nerjin seems scummy. Even if they weren't scumbuddies, he might have seen him as a target that would result in drawing to much attention to himself. (I think that made sense.)
3. Ranger clearly wasn't getting it. Someone had to point it out to him. I believe this is still a valuable example of when Daruish contributed, and the fact that you completely blew by it without anything to say other then casually labeling it fluff shows complete close-mindedness at best, and downright scumminess at worst. Do you see yourself as having a completely bias attitude towards Dariush?
Completely bias? I might be a little bit persuaded by my own arguments but I don't see any real bias. The thing is, I don't see anything making him look any less scummy and the fact that he refuses to respond to the case against him is super scummy. So while I might have "convinced myself" through my own case I do not see anything making him less scummy than what I believe.
4. You are and have made up various reasons for why Cado would of done the things he did. The fact is, those weren't his reasons. He explained his reasons, and these weren't it. So no, your excuses for why Cado did things weren't valid. I never once considered your explanations for his actions valid. Does that make me scum?
I would like to refer to something I said before.
Also, please take into account that these are quotes from the time that it was all happening so while right now we know that ranger wasn't thinking that way at the time we didn't know and Dariush surely saw all the flaws to his attack and the defenses of cado.
I feel this is important to how people think. We have the privilege to see where the future events lead, however, we have to also take into account how events looked at the moment of the post. Also, while I do wish you would at least look at my opinions at face value and try to see where I am coming from, you are not more scummy do to these actions.
6. Your question was literally, "How scummy do you find Guardsmen?" You asked this BEFORE Gaurdsmen ever posted. I have a question for you. How scummy did you find Guardsmen before he ever posted?
I found him very scummy because he was the one taking the place of the very scummy nerjin. Another way this question could have been interpreted would be "how scummy do you find nerjin?" however because he had left us by this time that question was not valid.
7. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!! DO YOU NEED A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF IG'S POSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PLAYING BAD?
Sorry, I thought this was rhetoric. No, I do not need you, or anyone else, to tell me why IG was a bad player.
8. So... It's a scumtell to attack weak players? Also, Do you disagree with anything specific in that post? It looks like a general attack on Dariush, with nothing to do with the actual post. And why did you never mention catch 22 in your first explanation, if that was your "main complaint"?
Yes, I believe it is a scumtell to attack weak players. Very much so actually. Mafia tend to go after the weakest link so... yeah, I think you understand what I mean. I mentioned catch 22 in separate posts. I don't know where, but I have discussed it before. Also, people skip things, whether it was because I was thinking of other things or I simply felt like it did not need to be mentioned I did not mention it in the post. It's a natural human thing.
9. Okay. Explain to me how that makes him scum.
I'm stating that ranger would have had reasons to raise the bar. The portion of this that makes him scum is how he complained when personally, I found it quite understandable.
10. What incentive would that be?
If scum need to know a house number to NK then they would be guaranteed to kill ranger who was locked up in his house. I see it as the scum has a guaranteed kill on someone who wished to help the town, that is the incentive.
11. Agreed. How about "leading a bandwagon"?
Half and half. Dar led a bandwaggon on someone who seemed to me, simply a weak player. This is scummy because it gives him an easy case and makes him look "heroic". Meanwhile, if someone leads a bandwaggon on a decent player and everyone else just bandwaggons on (which I think is the more common case) then the one leading it isn't scummy.
Deathsword, I will get to your points later on today. Sorry.
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