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[Tiruin]

In a separate paragraph, detail how [your claim] this helps find scum. At all. Either you've just outed yourself to them, or are scum and are trying some kind of strange gambit I cannot understand why.

I might ask the same to you. How did your claim help with finding scum?

TBH, this attitude is also what is making me go along with Vector's pseudo-claim that Hapah did in Deathsword.

It helps due to their response. I already stated how - psychologically, while scum know that the switcher has a chance of targeting town, they'd be adverse, or apathetic to the results unless they're pretty much lax with how they guard being caught out.

You're evading my question again. Answer it. I mean, you show no note of PFP/too busy to post, so I'm assuming you're just being lazy.

You said that your top scumpicks are Vector, followed by me. Everyone else = you're too busy to read. To define, you've tunneled on me D1 and what have you come up with now?

DS: Can you vote someone that isn't Vector, and request a votecount?

If you don't mind, I'll test it on you: Hapah

>It works.

What can you derive from this, DS?

Meph: Will your votecount show people who can vote, but whose votes are not substantial? Meaning that they hold no weight in the end, just that they can vote?

[Mephansteras]

Yes.

[Vector]

@Tiruin: Expect my case on/by Monday.  I have a lot of work this weekend, though I'm quite well, thank you.

[Toaster]

Ford: 

UI's claim really says nothing about his alignment. Whether vig, SK or scum, he couldn't avoid being caught, and he would have claimed the same.

Say what now?  What do you mean "couldn't avoid being caught?"


Urist I:

Okay. Tiruin, you are Vector's partner.

1) You're voting Leafsnail because of what you assume his ability to be.
2) Your reason for not voting Vector is stupid, barely coherent, and makes you look desperate for a reason to not vote her.
3) Why would I take credit for someone else's kill?
4) Solifuge popped in after several days of not posting, voted Dariush for a meh-at-best reason, accused you of fakeclaiming, and promised to post more later (which he never did). Once Dariush flipped town, Solifuge reeked of scum who just wanted to get D1 over with.
5) Why are you recommending people unvote while simultaneously demanding I vote?
6) Why are you trying to cast doubt on Hapah?

So why are you voting Tiruin instead of Vector?


Tiruin:

Unvote btw

So if vector is scum, UI can't be an SK?

...I discarded the idea of an SK due to the opening flavor due to the 'they'. Seeing the second paragraph gives hints to NKs...and I put that out as flavor.

There were no flavor hints to a SK in the first one either.  This isn't a bastard mod- just play it straight with all possibilities on the table.

[Leafsnail]

The first Totem Mafia had an SK. I guess you weren't aware of that?

SKs aren't as much of a priority to deal with as mafia members anyway.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster: I'll take both of these.

Urist I:
So why are you voting Tiruin instead of Vector?

Because I'm voteless due to killing Solifuge (his role is in the OP), and this votelessness is reflected in the votecount. As my vote has no power today, I voted Tiruin to make my point (also because she was the one demanding I vote to prove it).

Hapah:

UI: To satisfy my curiosity, could you give me the flavor of your kill?

I found Soli in the middle of a clearing, snuck up behind him, overpowered him and put him in a choke hold until he went limp, then he disappeared from the Spirit Realm and that goddamn bird showed up and stole my voice.

Tiruin: I think I see the problem.

The logic is obvious. If Hapah's lying, he's up for death row tomorrow for somehow getting a scum result on Vector. Vector didn't claim any line of Miller. And unless she was affected by a "when I'm inspected, I turn up scum regardless of my alignment" action (check the flash mafia @ BM link...its a role which tags others as scum if they're inspected during the night), then there's nothing else than can be done. 1 Stranger down.

This is WRONG. I told you why it is wrong already. It would have been obvious if you had read the first posts of the day. Vector claims to have redirected Hapah's inspect to Deathsword. If she's telling the truth, then Hapah's scum result is on Deathsword, not Vector. This is why Vector is voting Deathsword. This is also why Deathsword is accusing Vector of fakeclaiming.

Seriously, what is it about Vector's claim that you can't understand? Why is it that every single time you bring it up, you ignore her claim and always talk about how she targeted Leafsnail? (hint: it's probably because she did, you know she did, and you aren't considering her fakeclaim)

[Hapah]

Weekend, so I'll make this post quick. I have a message from Solifuge from THE GREAT BEYOND. Oh, wait, it's just the campfire outside. They're making S'mores.

Also note that the portion of my role is Medium, not Editor-In-Chief. As such, you are getting these pretty much as they are. I personally disagree with some points, but I include them for completeness sake. There was also a post pertaining to Deathsword, but I felt it was a bit premature and so I have not included it here. Grab a snack, you're gonna be here a minute.

Spoiler: Post 1 (click to show/hide)

Hey guys, It's Solifuge. I come from beyond the tent, bearing spoilers: your Scumteam for this game is Vector, Urist Imiknorris, and Deathsword. How do I know this? I'm glad you asked! It's a bit wordy, but if you want to win, Town, give me a few minutes of your attention. I'll try to keep things entertaining:

*ehem*

Meet the Scumteam Part 1: Once Upon an Urist

Let's start with Urist, by taking a look at this little gem:

> Quote from Urist Imiknorris (Post #226)
>> Okay. Tiruin, you are Vector's partner.
>>
>> 1) You're voting Leafsnail because of what you assume his ability to be.
>> 2) Your reason for not voting Vector is stupid, barely coherent, and makes you
>> look desperate for a reason to not vote her.
>> [...]
>> 4) Solifuge popped in after several days of not posting, voted Dariush for a
>> meh-at-best reason, accused you of fakeclaiming, and promised to post more
>> later (which he never did). Once Dariush flipped town, Solifuge reeked of
>> scum who just wanted to get D1 over with.

So, let me get this straight. You know how Vector was outed as Scum? A fact Urist doesn't dispute? Despite this, he stopped voting for Vector and switched to Tiruin because... Tiruin stopped voting for Vector, and switched to Leafsnail?

ALERT, RIDICULOUS HYPOCRISY AND BUDDYING DETECTED! CHECK THYSELF BEFORE YE WRECK THYSELF!

Way to tip your hand. You guys -know- Vector is scum, and didn't actually redirect anyone. You forgot that Non-Scum players like Tiruin don't know this for a fact, and could reasonably suspect Leafsnail was lying about being Vector's target (which opens up the possibility for Leaf to be defending Deathsword using a false claim, etc). Hell, even I doubted Leafsnail at the start of the day too. I still don't trust him, but unless my whole world is a lie, and Vector flips Town, he's 3rd Party at worst.

Oh, and Urist's justification, after he claimed to be my attacker? Despite Tiruin being his biggest "suspect" yesterday, he instead decides to off me last night for "bandwagoning", and "meh-at-best" reasoning. But what's this... Urist joined that very same "bandwagon" on Dariush just one vote before I did? Huh. Let's compare our arguments:

> Quote from Solifuge (Post #183):
>> Can I ask you a question, Dariush? What the crap is up with you accusing
>> Vector of being scum in nearly every post, yet insisting on voting for Leafsnail based on a
>> paper thin random vote reading? That's extremely scummy behavior, and poor play for scum
>> or town. Sensible people vote where their suspicions and accusations go, not everywhere else.
>> This Refuge in Audacity thing you've been doing since the start, playing up the offensiveness
>> as much as possible, strikes me as an intentional act.

> Quote from Urist Imiknorris (Post #165):
>> Dariush: Why are you voting Leafsnail again?

ALERT, HYPOCRISY DETECTORS OVERLOADED! ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER HERE!

So Urist says he offed me last night, and claims it was actually a Vig-Kill, despite that it went against any suspicions he'd voiced on Day 1, and was for hypocritical-to-nonexistant reasons. He then asks us to believe that there was no Scum Kill last night either. Weird, it's almost as if the scumteam weren't expecting my role power when they targeted me last night, and they had to come up with an explanation on the spot. Oh, and for anyone who still doubts I was killed by Scum, according to the flavor I was Spiritwalking, when a shadowy figure put my meatspace body in a chokehold, made me black out, and I woke up outside the tent. Sounds like a lore-appropriate Mafiakill to me.
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Spoiler: Post 2 (click to show/hide)

Meet the Scumteam Part 2: The Vector Vexation

Next up is Vector. Poor, unlucky Vector. She got investigated by Hapah last night, who accused her in public today, and with no wiggle room and a team full of slightly-more-disposable scumbuddies, she did what any sensible leader would do in her position. She threw Deathsword under the bus, claiming that he was actually the Scum Hapah saw, since she "redirected" Hapah's investigation to him. And hell, it probably would have worked too, if it wasn't for that meddling Leafsnail and his stupid counterclaim.

Now, I don't know if Leafsnail is a 3rd Party or Town, but for now it doesn't actually matter. Because of his claim, we know that one of them is lying, so there are two possibilities here:

1) Leafsnail is Scum, and Vector is Town/3rd Party.
Analysis: Vector really DID redirect Hapah to Deathsword, and Scum Leafsnail lied to protect him in hopes of getting Vector killed. Problem with this is that it would mean that Leafsnail knowingly doomed himself and his Scumpartner; as soon as Vector flipped Town, we would have her role and allignment, and we'd know he lied. Thus he would be next on the chopping block, followed by Deathsword (who at this point it would be obvious he'd been defending with his falseclaim). Knowing Leafsnail as an experienced player, this makes no sense. And hell, once Vector dies and flips, this won't be a question anymore. This leaves us with...

B) Vector is Scum, and Leafsnail is Town/3rd Party.
Analysis: Vector lied about redirecting Hapah to Deathsword, and instead did something to Leafsnail last night. Leafsnail's role lets him know who targets him, and he saw Vector hit him with something last night, which makes it impossible for her to have redirected Hapah. What Vector should have done at this point is claim that she has a secondary passive action which hits a random player, like a protect or something... but maybe she was too overwhelmed, or maybe she decided things were just looking too grim for her. Whatever the case, she decided to let her scumbuddies toss her under the bus instead. A noble, but tragic, sacrifice.

Tragic, mainly because her partners are now screwing the pooch by forgetting she's been outed as Certifiable Scum, and blatantly buddied with her by pushing a crap case on Tiruin, which we'll get to in a minute. I think Vector pointed this out to them in Scum Chat though, since they've gotten a bit less blatant about it.

Let me know if you have any questions.

[Urist Imiknorris]

What sort of bizarro universe is he living in where Tiruin was my top suspect yesterday and I'm not voteless today?

[Vector]

Okay, one of my relatives just died, so I'm going to be sloppy about this:

My argument that Hapah looks scummy is about the same as Solifuge's.  At the end of D1 I was pretty sure Soli was town and was sort of at a loss once Dariush had kicked it, so I looked at his points.  The point about Hapah attacking without any drive seemed accurate.  Also, the sheer amount of time he consistently kept people hanging on his arguments... that seemed odd.

[Leafsnail]

I'm inclined to believe that Tiruin is town.  I still don't see his claim coming from scum and his doubt looks fairly reasonable.

Deathsword I feel torn on.  The scum must know that Vector can't be saved today, so the Deathsword->Vector voteblock comes down to pure WIFOM.  There's also the fact that Vector tried to push blame on him this morning, but claiming a redirected inspection to a scumbuddy is a gambit I can see Vector pulling (it makes sense in a way - it could potentially spin a guilty inspection into towncred).

What sort of bizarro universe is he living in where Tiruin was my top suspect yesterday and I'm not voteless today?

The thing is now I look at it I really can't see any town reason why you'd want to kill Solifuge.  You've manufactured a reason today but I'd expect to see some evidence for it beforehand.  I'd still rather lynch Vector first since that'll help establish whether she was attempting to mafiakill me last night, but if it looks like she was using another action I'm going for you next.

[Mephansteras]

The Counting Stones
Deathsword: Vector
Hapah: Deathsword
Vector: Captain Ford, Hapah, Leafsnail, Toaster


Day ends ~5pm pacific Tuesday

[Captain Ford]

Hapah:
I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone posting from the afterlife. It's pretty cool.

I have one question for you, Hapah: Can you tell us about when those two posts were written?

Solifuge:
I can't really follow the first part of your argument. You seem to be saying that UI knows what Leafsnail's ability actually is, but wouldn't that imply he's on a scumteam with Leafsnail, not Vector?

Tiruin stopped voting for Vector, and switched to Leafsnail?

Tiruin was never voting for Vector.

Weird, it's almost as if the scumteam weren't expecting my role power when they targeted me last night, and they had to come up with an explanation on the spot.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.


Urist Imiknorris:

What sort of bizarro universe is he living in where Tiruin was my top suspect yesterday and I'm not voteless today?

You might not have a vote, but that's exactly what you did. Remember saying: "I want to vote Vector. Tiruin, please make it so." Then you later rounded on Tiruin with "You're the scums."


For me, the nail in the coffin is that Vector never denied taking an action on Leafsnail. Her only response after Leafsnail's revalation was "I don't know why people are suddenly all murder-happy." I would think a townie would have been more insistent about their innocence, and would have put some actual effort into trying to expose the people who framed her.

[Vector]

For me, the nail in the coffin is that Vector never denied taking an action on Leafsnail. Her only response after Leafsnail's revalation was "I don't know why people are suddenly all murder-happy." I would think a townie would have been more insistent about their innocence, and would have put some actual effort into trying to expose the people who framed her.

. . . I thought that would be made clear by virtue of my explaining multiple times what all of my actions were last night.  No, I did not take an action on Leafsnail.  Being insistent about my innocence is pointless because if I'm alive at LYLO without having become a confirmed townie, then it's going to cause a lot of heartache for the town.  So, to be totally frank, I think we're better off if I get lynched now so at least the air gets cleared a little.

[Captain Ford]

For me, the nail in the coffin is that Vector never denied taking an action on Leafsnail. Her only response after Leafsnail's revalation was "I don't know why people are suddenly all murder-happy." I would think a townie would have been more insistent about their innocence, and would have put some actual effort into trying to expose the people who framed her.

. . . I thought that would be made clear by virtue of my explaining multiple times what all of my actions were last night.  No, I did not take an action on Leafsnail.  Being insistent about my innocence is pointless because if I'm alive at LYLO without having become a confirmed townie, then it's going to cause a lot of heartache for the town.  So, to be totally frank, I think we're better off if I get lynched now so at least the air gets cleared a little.

*blinks* Huh? I would think that proving your innocence would make you pretty much ironclad. A defeatist attitude like this really only makes sense if you're scum, and thus any effort you put forth would ultimately prove fruitless.

And what do you mean "all" of your actions? I'm pretty sure you only claimed one.

[Tiruin]

PFP

For me, the nail in the coffin is that Vector never denied taking an action on Leafsnail. Her only response after Leafsnail's revalation was "I don't know why people are suddenly all murder-happy." I would think a townie would have been more insistent about their innocence, and would have put some actual effort into trying to expose the people who framed her.

. . . I thought that would be made clear by virtue of my explaining multiple times what all of my actions were last night.  No, I did not take an action on Leafsnail.  Being insistent about my innocence is pointless because if I'm alive at LYLO without having become a confirmed townie, then it's going to cause a lot of heartache for the town.  So, to be totally frank, I think we're better off if I get lynched now so at least the air gets cleared a little.

You didn't answer my question yet :/ Well...given your IRL state, we've still got time.

Tiruin: I think I see the problem.

The logic is obvious. If Hapah's lying, he's up for death row tomorrow for somehow getting a scum result on Vector. Vector didn't claim any line of Miller. And unless she was affected by a "when I'm inspected, I turn up scum regardless of my alignment" action (check the flash mafia @ BM link...its a role which tags others as scum if they're inspected during the night), then there's nothing else than can be done. 1 Stranger down.

This is WRONG. I told you why it is wrong already. It would have been obvious if you had read the first posts of the day. Vector claims to have redirected Hapah's inspect to Deathsword. If she's telling the truth, then Hapah's scum result is on Deathsword, not Vector. This is why Vector is voting Deathsword. This is also why Deathsword is accusing Vector of fakeclaiming.

Seriously, what is it about Vector's claim that you can't understand? Why is it that every single time you bring it up, you ignore her claim and always talk about how she targeted Leafsnail? (hint: it's probably because she did, you know she did, and you aren't considering her fakeclaim)

I'm going to try to point the main problem in your thesis here with one word.

Leafsnail.

You forgot the leafy snail right there in the equation - while I guess you didn't think I already thought about your proposition, there was a snail in the works, making it all the more complicated. Somehow, you're insinuating that I'm along the lines of defending Vector when I did state my stance on her.

Humor me. If I'm Vector's buddy, explain why in the world we'd be targeting the same target during the night?

Dat Hapah.

You know I really admire you as a player but there's something wrong with Solifuge. Spoiler: Post 2, Paragraph 4 to 5, Subsections 1 and B, Clause 1).

How...are you so sure about all that? Vector bussing her team, LS lying to save his team...That would put everyone to the axe later on. It's just like how you outed me in your debut. Simple logic O_o

Though I do have to agree. UI and DS putting...weird cases on me. "I'm scum because I've a weird vote switcher power" and "Yer Vector's partner for the following reasons"

...I mean, UI usually pays more attention unless he's under pressure, IMO. Just let me say this that I'm very weary about the scumteam's powers in which that - given the game = broken by a situation as this, they've a backup power. Now, this last paragraph is fully due to how I see Meph's games (Like that one part wherein I was an unlynchable ghoul in one good game and everyone else took the bone Heh. Bone.[<3 Bookthras for his honor there])

Anyway, enough with my PFP rambling.

Vector: If you're town, then either LS is a dirty snail along with Hapah (the latter is very impossible given how he presented his medium case); we've something akin to an anarchist (50% action everywhere!); UI is a Vigilante with some sort of maligned viewpoint or just scum hiding his own NK with the lines of "Kill Solifuge for weak reasons" and "why would I kill him and claim if..."

If only I knew the terminology for those cases :/

My condolences Vector.

Deathsword I feel torn on.  The scum must know that Vector can't be saved today, so the Deathsword->Vector voteblock comes down to pure WIFOM.  There's also the fact that Vector tried to push blame on him this morning, but claiming a redirected inspection to a scumbuddy is a gambit I can see Vector pulling (it makes sense in a way - it could potentially spin a guilty inspection into towncred).

DS isn't answering my question on why he's voting Vector though. UI seems to be answering for him - but that's just my opinion.

Vector, if nothing much comes up by dusk tomorrow [My 5am Wednesday = 5pm Pacific time], I'll be shifting either your vote onto yourself or UI/DS according to whom I view most suspicious, in descending order. DS mostly due to how he posts...Lacking reasoning.

PPE: Ford.
She did only claim one. Redirect.