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[Girlinhat]

I believe 1 unit of liquid = 250ml?  This seems to be the unified measurement that I can tell from descriptions.  A 3l jar would hold 12 units, and should be 12 volume (every container is the same size as how much it holds!) to be properly balanced...

Is there a way to store solid items in a container?  Like, can I fill a plastic bag with some meat I cooked?

[i2amroy]

I believe 1 unit of liquid = 250ml?  This seems to be the unified measurement that I can tell from descriptions.  A 3l jar would hold 12 units, and should be 12 volume (every container is the same size as how much it holds!) to be properly balanced...

This right here, and anything that doesn't currently meet this definition is a bug.

As for solid items in containers, no, you can't; or at least not at the moment.

[beorn080]

But it still means that if the jar is made into 6 volume it's more space efficient than the 6 volume canteen. I can understand the waterskin being 6 volume since it's bulky and unweildly, and prone to deforming oddly in storage. But the canteen feels pointless when it's just big and bulky and the jar holds twice, even if they have the same 6 volume they take up in your inventory.

Being able to deform would actually make it slightly easier to pack into a backpack, but less easy to get in and out. Water has a relatively set volume. Honestly it should take up only a limited amount of space when empty, as its not a rigid container, but that'd be a pain to code, I suspect.

[Girlinhat]

But it still means that if the jar is made into 6 volume it's more space efficient than the 6 volume canteen. I can understand the waterskin being 6 volume since it's bulky and unweildly, and prone to deforming oddly in storage. But the canteen feels pointless when it's just big and bulky and the jar holds twice, even if they have the same 6 volume they take up in your inventory.

Being able to deform would actually make it slightly easier to pack into a backpack, but less easy to get in and out. Water has a relatively set volume. Honestly it should take up only a limited amount of space when empty, as its not a rigid container, but that'd be a pain to code, I suspect.

Used to be that items could inflate with their stored items - you'd see mainly things like plastic bags of potato chips being full at 1-2 volume, and empty at 0 volume.  Wasn't used often enough...

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Right now the only value to having larger containers is convenience. Excepting the 3l jar, (which somehow compresses water into a smaller volume), everything takes up the same space- except larger containers are heavier.
Plastic bottles are the best containers stat-wise, they're the lightest.
The tradeoff is taking a longer time to collect more than 500ml of water.
I'm not sure how I feel about that.


As for wearable containers, they would only be valuable if they DON'T create encumbrance. They have to be slotless, otherwise they take up valuable encumbrance and gain nothing from their wearability. If they're slotless on the other hand, their volume becomes a non-issue. Presto chango all the cool kids wear waterskins & canteens.



Going off-topic from volume:
Volume vs storability.
Basically, using true volume, (water displacement), as the measure for how much you can stuff in your backpack isn't the best system- it doesn't account for the difference between trying to tuck a baseball bat into the side of one's backpack and trying to stow a pile of bent & chopped up chain link fence; the latter will take up a lot more volume in your backpack despite having a displacement equal to a bat.
The obvious solution to this is 'well give it a value that's truer to storability than displacement'. Fair enough, but now you've got a psuedo-volume that can be misleading.

If that last bit is the case, suggestion: change the term 'volume' to avoid confusion.
If that isn't the case & the 'volume' stat for items is their true displacement: we shouldn't be using that to model storage volume!

[Girlinhat]

You can also carry a baseball bat inside 2 gun holsters and a bootstrap.  It has long been acknowledged that we don't care about actual carrying logistics or making worn inventory make a lot of sense - treating it by 'volume' as we do now and doing straight stacking is simply the best way without getting REALLY complicated systems...

I'd be fine with worn water containers being 0 encumberance to their body part, making that probably torso or leg depending on how it's worn.  You might argue that having it take up valuable encumberance is a problem, but some of us play unusual builds.  I'll regularly travel in only a skirt, tank top, and boots, giving me VERY little storage space.  Being able to wear a canteen on the hip would help a great deal, even if it attempts to give a little encumberance.

[jocan2003]

As for wearable containers, they would only be valuable if they DON'T create encumbrance. They have to be slotless, otherwise they take up valuable encumbrance and gain nothing from their wearability. If they're slotless on the other hand, their volume becomes a non-issue. Presto chango all the cool kids wear waterskins & canteens.

Nuff said
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/2747435489_3edb80ee25.jpg

Dont tell me that thing give encumbrance as you could even place a backpack over it and still not feel it, even cushion the pointy endge of what would be inside the said backpack.

[Girlinhat]

That's a military waterskin.  Common canteens are a whole other issue.

Also, my weather is downright broken.  I've had acid rain for the past 3 days, and even debugging to change the weather will only change back to acid rain after 1 turn.

[Gunner-Chan]

That's a military waterskin.  Common canteens are a whole other issue.

Yeah. Those go on a belt clip or simply get clipped to your belt. Entirely out of the way either way it goes.

[Girlinhat]

Don't know if you've actually taken a walk, but having a canteen hanging loose from your belt would get in the way really fast.  It'll tend to swing back and forth, especially when you get into anything like combat.

Also, we need Bandoliers!

[Aqizzar]

Also, we need Bandoliers!

Isn't that... the Utility Vest?  Although calling it a Bandolier would be really cool.

[Girlinhat]

Well, that's mainly it.  Actually call it a bandoleer!  It might also need some tweaking to the coverage and warmth and whatnot, and of course be more rare!

[Gunner-Chan]

Don't know if you've actually taken a walk, but having a canteen hanging loose from your belt would get in the way really fast.  It'll tend to swing back and forth, especially when you get into anything like combat.

Gone hunting with one in a beltpouch/clip. Including running full tilt after a friend that got spooked and almost got himself lost. Was a total non issue. I COULD imagine it being a problem if like... You hooked it to a thin belt or something but it's not really something I think would ultimately be simulated in game that way. (Assuming the canteen is ultimately gonna be made worth a damn, or the waterskin for that matter)

Now a waterskin tied over a shoulder I would imagine getting in the way. Since it's a bladder of water just loosely secured on a rope. That's a way different story.

[GlyphGryph]

I'd prefer to do it as - a canteen can be worn like a fannypack and takes up no encumbrance. The waterskin can't be worn, but only takes up as much volume as is in it (who knows why that's not working at the moment) but holds more water overall.
Also, GirlInHat, we've received a few reports of that but none of the devs have been able to replicate it - what is your version number?

Also, how did you go about making plating opaque? I think I'm gonna make a PR for that, because I agree with it, and also throw in a less effective "barred" alternative that can be seen through.

[BigD145]

Also, how did you go about making plating opaque? I think I'm gonna make a PR for that, because I agree with it, and also throw in a less effective "barred" alternative that can be seen through.

Probably the same way I made the "o door" for vehicles, unless that changed with Dark Days.