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[toomanysecrets]

There are plenty of people who think all those reasons are pretty bad bullshit, well at least I think so.

Defending yourself in your own home is bullshit? This is so much of a stretch as to be completely asinine.

[Cheeetar]

There are plenty of people who think all those reasons are pretty bad bullshit, well at least I think so.

Defending yourself in your own home is bullshit? This is so much of a stretch as to be completely asinine.

I think he was saying that the concept that you'd need a gun to defend your home was bullshit.

[RedKing]

Our second amendment was written to ensure that the populace could overthrow a corrupt government, the revolutionary was started because the british tried to disarm the american populous. Dutchling, if you don't think a gun is necessary to defend yourself you can always not buy one, You can also trust your government to always have your best interests in mind, whatever floats your boat.

I'd just like to point out that the British were attempting to disarm the citizenry by marching on the armory. In other words, their weapons were stored in a secure location, not in their houses. Just as National Guardsmen and Army soldiers don't take their rifles home with them at the end of the day (outside of a war zone).

Even though I think the "armed citzenry to defend against the government" argument is ludicrous in this day and age (really? the DoD can target you FROM SPACE and hit you with a remote-piloted drone. Your popgun isn't going to be much help.), I'd be willing to entertain the fiction if 2nd Amendment fanatics remembered the whole text. A bunch of random yahoos with random firearms is NOT a "well-regulated Militia". It's a mob with guns.


The Federal government already had similar measures in place banning conversion kits, until Congress let the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expire. All this is, is California rebuilding that Federal law at the state level, since they still had their own state-level assault ban on the books.

[nenjin]

The Federal government already had similar measures in place banning conversion kits, until Congress let the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expire. All this is, is California rebuilding that Federal law at the state level, since they still had their own state-level assault ban on the books.

Yep. California is trying to accomplish what the US Gun Lobby has been spending millions a year to prevent from happening in Congress. It should have been law a decade ago that modifying a semi-automatic weapon into an assault weapon is illegal. But the gun lobby, arguing for the 2nd amendment and unregulated sales at gun shows, have continued to prevent that from coming to pass.

So I say good on California, for doing what nationally we cannot because special interest groups have Congress by the balls.

[kingfisher1112]

I live in Australia, and while I think gun laws are unreasonably harsh over here, American ones are simply insane. Legally owned GRENADE LAUNCERS AND FLAMETHROWERS are ridiculous. AR's and machine guns should be heavily prohibited. Thing is, taking away all the guns is bad. People will simply find them in an illicit manner. Look at drugs. Banning them just started an illicit trade. All in all, this is too drastic. Moderation is key here.

[Loud Whispers]

I think he was saying that the concept that you'd need a gun to defend your home was bullshit.

Domestic arms race

FLAMETHROWERS

Aren't the use of flamethrowers war crimes? Not sure about possession though.

[kingfisher1112]

You can keep them I believe. The 'home defense' argument cannot apply to them of course.

[Blizzlord]

FLAMETHROWERS

Aren't the use of flamethrowers war crimes? Not sure about possession though.

All I know is that the Mythbusters had to go through quite a bit to get the heavily supervised permission to be able to build their flamethrower to test against a fire extinguisher. They were really emphasizing the fact that it was normally illegal to do so.

[kingfisher1112]

They are based in Cali aren't they?

[Il Palazzo]

You can keep them I believe. The 'home defense' argument cannot apply to them of course.

What if somebody comes at you with a fortified bunker? How will you defend yourself then?

[chaoticag]

Well, flamethrowers are legal to own since they're one of the few ways to combat killer bees, and help stop them from spreading.

[lordcooper]

Well, flamethrowers are legal to own since they're one of the few ways to combat killer bees, and help stop them from spreading.

Better carry one around with you at all times just in case!

[Glowcat]

*after reading the original post and its link's name*

Me: "This looks like one of those right-wing propaganda sites. I wonder how long until somebody posts/links the real bill."

The answer was Reply #12.

There is an uncanny predictive power in calling bullshit on mainstream conservative political messages before even checking the source.

[kingfisher1112]

Personally I think that the home Defence argument is bullshit for anything more than a pistol. But really, you should not be limiting semi automatic firearms, or fully automatic ones for that matter.

[Ancre]

Well, flamethrowers are legal to own since they're one of the few ways to combat killer bees, and help stop them from spreading.

I love the US. I know this is true somewhat, but the idea of someone legally owning a flamethrower to pursue a losing fight against an invading swarms of bugs is just that ridiculously fun. It sounds just like a bad hollywood movie !