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[Urist McScoopbeard]

@maj:

ok, that happens. Alot, actually. But what is the point you're trying to make? I'm still confused.

EDIT: that's what morals are 'ideas of good & evil' what exactly do you mean when you say "Doing bad things in the name of <X> thinking there good" ?

[majikero]

I rather have people doing good things and whatever their reason is doesn't matter.

[Micro102]

that doesn't make sense to me, I read 'He'd rather have people doing good things, and not have people doing bad things in the name of religon calling them good things.'

Replace religion with justice and you still get the same thing. People doing bad things in the name of justice thinking it's good.

No, it's not the same. Justice is not based on some divine being made up by people with a completely different set of morals from today's community.

[Darvi]

that doesn't make sense to me, I read 'He'd rather have people doing good things, and not have people doing bad things in the name of religon calling them good things.'

Replace religion with justice and you still get the same thing. People doing bad things in the name of justice thinking it's good.

No, it's not the same. Justice is not based on some divine being made up by people with a completely different set of morals from today's community.

And then you find out that there's laws against flirting.

[majikero]

Wasn't that in the WTF thread?

[Micro102]

Yes it was, and I think everyone here agrees that its a dumb law and should be gotten rid of.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I'm getting the sense that maybe we're having a slight disconnect here. Maybe, because you're both explaining it differently?

[Starver]

Yeah, we Americans are mostly descended from protestants, although most of us are too ignorant to know it. Seriously, I was in school and like the entire rest of the class didn't think Catholicism was Christianity. And we do have some catholic presence, from Italian immigrants and such that have Assimilated.

Interestingly, a lot of Americans even think that the early settlers went Leftpondian in order to escape religion whereas, on the balance of things, they were looking for a place to be more religious.

But (as per the last post, that I just edited out of existence) I may well be ninjaed.  Or just irrelevant.  But as the thread's growing so quickly I'm still posting prematurely.

[majikero]

I'm getting the sense that maybe we're having a slight disconnect here. Maybe, because you're both explaining it differently?

Lets try to exlplain one more time.

Justice is based on someone on the top saying which is right or wrong.
Religion is based on people putting words on the divine beings mouth, saying which is right or wrong.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

that's not what I was referring to, it's almost like your both on seperate pages.

Micro is talking about people not doing bad things trying to justify it with religion (I think)

and you're talking about... something similar I think. What are you saying? people shouldn't do bad things? or that people are doing stuff and THINKING its good because its for religion?

[majikero]

Yes...

[Micro102]

EDIT: that's what morals are 'ideas of good & evil' what exactly do you mean when you say "Doing bad things in the name of <X> thinking there good" ?

Ah sorry, I didn't realize this was directed at me. The God from the Bible is depicted as all knowing. People view him as all benevolent (don't know if it says he is in the Bible or not). The thing is, the Bible was written thousand of years ago and we now have a different understanding of the world. The Pope thought he was doing God's will and actually stated that not using protection would decrease the amount of aids in Africa. Obviously a foolish thing to do. But his belief that God knows what's best caused him to make a choice that probably killed thousands of people.

[Leafsnail]

What are they gonna do about it? Raid your home while your praying with rosaries and talking about bible stories and what lesson you learn from it?

Somebody's never watched The Da Vinci Code.

[majikero]

@Micro

Do you honestly believe that the pope did it because God said so? Your more religious than I thought. Did it ever occur to you that the church has other reasons?

[Micro102]

@Micro

Do you honestly believe that the pope did it because God said so? Your more religious than I thought. Did it ever occur to you that the church has other reasons?

It did. But what could their intentions be? The death of africans? Are all of their intentions not religious regarding this? If that is the case, shouldn't such a system simply be removed? If religion doesn't benefit people but provides a way to hurt them, then why have it?