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Author Topic: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread  (Read 887068 times)

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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4410 on: April 23, 2013, 12:52:20 pm »

Well sadly,this is only a minor problem for me and I just ignore it. Usually it spams about 5-10 times and then stops, I don't find a need to do anything about it.
Its not THAT bad cmon...
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4411 on: April 23, 2013, 12:59:06 pm »

Not a question, just a follow up on my previous question:

How dangerous with this be?:
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My dwarves are taking forever to train so they have really terrible skills. They have steel/silver weapons but crappy copper armor with some steel helms/greaves added to some. One guy has an adamantine short sword(not masterful).

It beelined to my fortress, but thankfully I already placed a drawbridge there so I can engage when I want.

So should I fight or wait until I get adamantine weapons and full steel? It moves really fast and it has webs, maybe only marksdwarves should engage?


So it turns out my dwarves were more badass than I thought. While I was beefing up their equipment and figuring out how to get marksdwarves to get their bolts, 2 other FBs appeared in the caverns. To sum it up: 1 web-spitting dinosaur, 1 flying poisonous-biting lizard, and 1 poison-spitting bug.

I decided to just go for it and sent everyone down there. All the Urist McBadasses strode down there and proceeded to fell all three consecutively. Damn. I was surprised.  Seems FBs aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Of course they weren't made of anything metallic, so i'll hold further judgment until I do face one. :)


I do have a question though related to the 2 or so posts before me. Is there a way to disable "no plump helmet spawns" and the "designate object to melt" messages? 97% of my messages are just those 2. Thanks!
« Last Edit: April 23, 2013, 01:04:18 pm by KroganElite »
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4412 on: April 23, 2013, 01:36:26 pm »

(o)rders menu, announcecancellations: never.
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4413 on: April 23, 2013, 01:41:24 pm »

Hi,

I'm getting spammed by messages "... cancels plant seeds: needs plump helmet spawn". I've googled for an answer, and the problem was that all seeds were put in one barrel, and when I was being transported, dwarfs could not take seeds from it (the barrel was regularly transported from stockpile to dining hall, I imagine dwarves were trying to collect seeds from eaten plump helmets).
I've forbidden seeds in all my stockpiles, created a small stockpile (6 tiles) near the farm plot, and allowed barrels: 0, enabled only food>seed>plump helmet seeds. Now tricksy dwarves started using cloth bags instead of barrels, and problem repeats - they run to dining hall with bag in hand, and others can't access it :(

What should I do to solve this problem?
There is a rather simple solution that will solve like 95% of this from happening.
1)First make two stockpiles, A and B. Stockpile B is your main seed storage stockpile, stockpile A is a tiny stockpile next to B.
2)Stockpile A takes from anywhere and gives to stockpile B. Stockpile A has barrels disabled.
3)Stockpile B only takes from links (so stockpile A and your barrel/bag stockpiles). Stockpile B has barrels enabled.

The end result should be that dwarves carry individual seeds to stockpile A, at which point they quickly pick up a barrel/bag, stuff the seed in it, and then put the bag/barrel back. Since they only carry the bag/barrel for a few tiles, the chance of someone requesting that particular seed container at that particular point in time is very small, and it will remove the majority of your cancellations.

(o)rders menu, announcecancellations: never.
This would technically remove the cancellation messages, yes, but it would also remove some of the more valuable ones like "Dwarf cancels X, goblin ambusher assaulting him".
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4414 on: April 23, 2013, 02:25:57 pm »

So uhhh..I just gen'd a world full of zombie megabeasts. It seems every megabeast that died and isn't a colossus has been rez'd.  Is this going to make embarks on this world much more dangerous? Evil has fully taken over the two largest mountain ranges in the world. The dwarves are only left a few small mountains to the south and east. I've only ever faced one megabeast which was a dragon and I had a huge break because it got sliced up by serrated disks. Will this make the megabeasts nigh-unkillable?  Should I be worried?

I can see it now...Flying zombie roc wreaking havoc on my walls. *shudder*

Heres the world map (Had to compress it a bit):
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4415 on: April 23, 2013, 02:59:49 pm »

Right now if most megabeasts are zombies it actually makes it easier to kill them since the built-in hp system makes it much easier to kill them then the normal bleed out system (come next version zombie megabeasts will be much harder, however).
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4416 on: April 23, 2013, 03:16:31 pm »

zombies tend to fall apart rather quickly when hit. It's mostly dangerous if there is a resurrecting biome nearby or a necromancer on the map
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4417 on: April 23, 2013, 03:19:10 pm »

Good to know. Thank you guys for the info.

edit: Does anyone know what history does? What are the differences in fortress mode when there is short vs long history?
« Last Edit: April 23, 2013, 04:23:24 pm by KroganElite »
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4418 on: April 23, 2013, 05:59:27 pm »

a long history tends to kill off many monsters. Yes they reproduce, but usually more dragons (for example) get killed than are born. Longer histories have fewer megabeasts. Forgotten Beasts and titans are usually mostly still there as they are almost immune to being killed in worldgen.
Civilization will have spread more, meaning more towns, cities, mountainhomes and whatnot, so slightly less choice on where to embark. On the other hand, there is also more chance of civilizations dying out.
Migrants that show up will most usually have and bring their family. They'll also have more skills and a greater variety. A long history has more chances for war, so you have a good chance to get skilled soldiers if that happened.
Necromancers need time. First they have to grow up and start to fear death, then discover the secret and then get enough zombies to make their towers. A longer history means more necromancers.
Were-beasts tend to get out of hand sometimes in long histories, converting entire towns to their 'clan' and making lairs all around. Vampires also tend to accumulate as they rarely die and people still get cursed by the gods as time passes in worldgen

There also has been less time for erosion, which affects rivers and mountains

so in short history:
more megabeasts, fewer (historical) migrants as civilizations havn't had time to breed and spread. Lots of available land. Nearly no necromancers, fewer werebeasts and vampires. Migrant skills mostly farming and such related, except for the pregenerated exceptions - no cities yet, no fighting

I'm probably wrong somewhere and might have missed some points, but that's the general thing
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4419 on: April 23, 2013, 06:12:00 pm »

How major is the happiness penalty from nakedness? A massive cloth industry is more trouble than I want to go through, and I plan to ignore my the eventual wearing down of my dwarve's clothes. Will an otherwise happy fortress stay happy?
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4420 on: April 23, 2013, 06:24:18 pm »

It's a pretty major unhappiness penalty -- "very embarrassed to be uncovered lately" is -20 at max, the same as for a hammering. However, it doesn't really take much to prevent these thoughts. A single clothier's shop can easily meet the demand -- you don't even have to grow pigtails or anything, traders will bring you more than enough cloth.
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4421 on: April 23, 2013, 09:46:15 pm »

a long history tends to kill off many monsters. Yes they reproduce, but usually more dragons (for example) get killed than are born. Longer histories have fewer megabeasts. Forgotten Beasts and titans are usually mostly still there as they are almost immune to being killed in worldgen.
Civilization will have spread more, meaning more towns, cities, mountainhomes and whatnot, so slightly less choice on where to embark. On the other hand, there is also more chance of civilizations dying out.
Migrants that show up will most usually have and bring their family. They'll also have more skills and a greater variety. A long history has more chances for war, so you have a good chance to get skilled soldiers if that happened.
Necromancers need time. First they have to grow up and start to fear death, then discover the secret and then get enough zombies to make their towers. A longer history means more necromancers.
Were-beasts tend to get out of hand sometimes in long histories, converting entire towns to their 'clan' and making lairs all around. Vampires also tend to accumulate as they rarely die and people still get cursed by the gods as time passes in worldgen

There also has been less time for erosion, which affects rivers and mountains

so in short history:
more megabeasts, fewer (historical) migrants as civilizations havn't had time to breed and spread. Lots of available land. Nearly no necromancers, fewer werebeasts and vampires. Migrant skills mostly farming and such related, except for the pregenerated exceptions - no cities yet, no fighting

I'm probably wrong somewhere and might have missed some points, but that's the general thing

I read somewhere a while ago that megabeasts in worldgen didn't affect what happens in your fort?
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4422 on: April 24, 2013, 01:45:39 am »

since during worldgen your fort isn't there, it doesn't. It just means that you won't have as many Giants, ettins, dragons, rocs or bronze colossuses in your world so there is a smaller chance they'll attack you when playing. Megabeasts definately do affect the world in worldgen, killing adventurers, eating animals and adventurers, etc
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4423 on: April 24, 2013, 03:14:01 am »

How long do dwarves live? Searched wiki for this, couldn't find the answer.
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4424 on: April 24, 2013, 03:21:25 am »

How long do dwarves live? Searched wiki for this, couldn't find the answer.
They usually die anywhere from 0-160, the life of the dwarf is arduous.
(120-160ish))
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