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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2012, 03:28:26 am »

The whole flame/troll thing going here is the very reason why I barely join intelligent discussion. It tends to go downhill.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2012, 03:41:56 am »

Wow, you're a pretty fucked up dude.

In your haste to condemn him, careful that you do not become the very thing you rail against.

A homophobe?

Im no homophobe, i just generally dislike homosexuality, and those beliefs about biology and human population are long dead.
I dont hate homosexuals, and most of my friends are bisexual girls anyway :P I just have a hard time coping with feminine acting males.

Mind you that i posted this in the dark of the night, might as well have been SleepPostingMan that has been there.
I dont want to get on the wrong side with any of you buddies out there, sorry if i offended.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2012, 03:53:11 am »

I thought you were telling him to forgive homosexuals, not homophobes.

I was suggesting that both are deserving of acceptance and forgiveness.

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I think that homophobic statements require forgiveness.

Why? Do you think people wake up one day and decide to choose their emotional makeup? I see several people in this thread suggesting that things like race and sexual preference aren't something that people choose. Ok. That's fine. But what makes you think the average person consciously chooses their beliefs and emotional responses?

Hypothetical scenario 1
Bob is a young boy with a pretty sister. Their parents love and pamper her at every opportunity, but expect him to be tough and take care of himself because he's a boy. He is very lonely and feels unloved because of this. One day, his pretty sister and her 3 pretty friends dress him up in their clothes and spend several hours making him do runway walks in dresses and sitting on his lap putting makeup on him. He knows he's not "supposed to" like it, but for once is his life he is the certain of attention and he adores it. And while sitting in a chair, feeling oh-so-pretty in his oh-so-pretty dress and lacey panties and bra, one of the girls sits on his lap with her legs spread, solely for the purpose of getting easy access to apply mascara to his eyelashes...and in the process gives him his first sexual climax.

Is it any surprise if he grows up to be a cross dresser? And if he does, does it make any sense to "hate him" for it? No. It's all very understandable. This kind of thing can happen. Very few people choose their sexual nature, and I can easily give you any number of scenarios that will tend to push someone along the line towards any kind of sexual preference you can imagine.

Hypothetical scenario 2
Joe grows up in a religious household, being told that it's "sinful" for "men to lie with men.' Unfortunately for Joe, his uncle has been molesting him since he was six years old. This goes on for years. He spends those years hating and dreading it, hearing on Sunday's that what he's being compelled to participate in is evil, and then going home and being taken into the bedroom for private "spankings" and compulsory games of "cave spelunker" and so forth. This goes on for years of fear and pain and anguish but nobody ever believes him and nobody does anything about it, until eventually the uncle dies in a traffic accident having never been caught, leaving Joe to carry that burden for the rest of his life.

It's no surprise if he grows up hating gay men because of what happened to him. Imagine how he might react to finding out that part of his son's school sex-ed curriculum is being taught that homosexuality is an "equally valid lifestyle." And if, amidst years of pent up humiliation and rage, he unleashes an angry cry of "faggot" at the people who casually dismiss his feelings as mere "ignorance," I think we can forgive him his outburst.

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Hate breeds hate, and all that.

Ok. Well, I'm the one suggesting here that we try to accept people for who they are. Rare is the creature on this earth with the benefit of choosing the nature of their own biases. When you see a gay man heading into a bathroom stall in a bar looking for a glory hole...you don't what happened in his life that led him to that kind of lifestyle. And when you see the angry man proselytizing outside the bar, holding signs that say "God hates fags" you also don't know what happened to him that led him to believe the way he does.

Both of those people might have very good reasons to feel and act the way they do.

"Love everyone" doesn't mean to love only the people who happen to have belief systems that you're comfortable with.

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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2012, 04:01:39 am »

I thought you were telling him to forgive homosexuals, not homophobes.

I was suggesting that both are deserving of acceptance and forgiveness.

... Why should anyone have to "forgive" someone of being homosexual? You really need to think more before you type, I think.

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Why? Do you think people wake up one day and decide to choose their emotional makeup? I see several people in this thread suggesting that things like race and sexual preference aren't something that people choose. Ok. That's fine. But what makes you think the average person consciously chooses their beliefs and emotional responses?

Even if they don't, they are still responsible for questioning them and changing them over time as a matter of personal growth.

Im no homophobe, i just generally dislike homosexuality, and those beliefs about biology and human population are long dead.

Which beliefs are long dead?

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I dont hate homosexuals, and most of my friends are bisexual girls anyway :P I just have a hard time coping with feminine acting males.

Not all homosexual males "act feminine", and if you have a hard time coping with men not acting like what you think men should act like... well, that's a fairly baseless expectation to have, and you should probably reexamine it.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2012, 04:50:55 am »

Regardless of how much I disagree with Buckets current thesis, I do feel I have to point out that what he originally reacted too was neither opposition to homophobia or calling somebody out as a homophobe, it was just an insult. For reference:

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Wow, you're a pretty fucked up dude.

Does that comment feel constructive in any way? I don't think so. Neither do I think it has any kind of place on a forum where people have to get along. If you want to call someone out on being a homophobe or a racist or whatever, like I've done several times myself, then do that, don't just be an arse and insult them. That's called flaming.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2012, 07:12:17 am »

I usually dislike homosexuals, mostly of darwinistic/biological reasons, but also from social ones. As soon as that pop kid jumps out of the closet, he gets privileges, shitloads of them, ever since this guy jumped out at our school the girls havent done anything but licking his butt(metaphorically). Theres this girl that has a mouth like a runny asshole that constantly talks about how extreme right wing politicians are the only good ones even though they dont even support her kind, she used to run about chanting "GAYS MUST BE SHOT AND KILLED! BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD STAY OUT OF THEIR COUNTRIES, BLACK *censored*", but as soon as that guy in her dumbass circle jumped out, she went "lol cute". And then everyone in that dumbass circle treats him like a fucking sheik, and now he thinks everyone thinks he is cool because of his homosexuality. He never asks for a thing, just grabs it out of your hand, he never asks if one could move out of their way, he steals and he lies, doing all that with that (sorry for using the word) self centric faggot smile. He thinks because he is gay, every other non homosexuals human rights and private space are void. The worst thing is his "feminized" way of speaking, with usual teenage boy voice, but that kind of twist usually applied by elderly prostitutes and transvestites.(Hah a footnote is that she hates swedes, yet she lives in a swedish house)

When i was out flying(thats what i call it when i was on meds), i believed that all homosexuals should have their rights voided, and that they should not be let reproduce, or bear childrens, since that would be detrimental to human population and evolution. But that was back then, now i generally regard them as slightly annoying egoists with sexual deviances, just as equally human as a shitposting tower of crap like me.

Maybe im just taking everything too serious, and maybe i am biased by my straightness, maybe i am just pretty fucking tired and shouldnt post this early in the morning. Good night. Ill finish this later.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2012, 07:17:41 am »

Damn, I missed the part where DrPoo actually accused homosexuals of being "annoying egoists". Wonderful.

I would really like to know what exactly about being attracted to other men instead of women makes someone "annoying" or an "egoist".
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2012, 07:42:07 am »

Damn, I missed the part where DrPoo actually accused homosexuals of being "annoying egoists". Wonderful.

I would really like to know what exactly about being attracted to other men instead of women makes someone "annoying" or an "egoist".

Just bad experiences.. look guys, not everyone are perfect messiah clones that think good of every one and kind. Lets just disregard this before we all hate each other.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2012, 07:50:01 am »

You're right, but that doesn't mean you should go around shooting off offensive slurs and calling them all "annoying egoists". I understand if you can't really control your emotional response to things, but you can at least think before you type.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2012, 08:14:43 am »

What the hell happened to this thread?

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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2012, 09:41:14 am »

What the hell happened to this thread?

I came in and ruined it all.. i need to be muted from serious threads :P
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2012, 09:58:33 am »

What the hell happened to this thread?

I came in and ruined it all.. i need to be muted from serious threads :P
Or just watch what you post  ::)

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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2012, 01:12:18 pm »

I disagree with the hypothesis that some carry about 'creating' homosexual children through life experience.
Biologically and genetically it's been proven that there is an inherent trait that causes homosexuality.
It's not a choice, nor is it caused by external factors as you go through life.
These factors may speed along the process of self-realization but they do not cause you to be homosexual.
You either are or you aren't when you're born.

Sorry, religious people. :l If you beleive in God, then more power to you. But if there is a God who created all, then he created homosexuality.
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Re: Gender Stereotypes & Homosexuality
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2012, 01:14:19 pm »

Bollocks, it's totally a choice, at least on some level.  It took me just over six months to become attracted to guys.
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