So you're super-concerned about a lurker, concerned enough to use your vote on him, but you don't really care what he does or have any intention of hunting him specifically; you just want him to post something, anything at all, and then you'll take your vote off.
Correct; I want him to start playing. It's a pressure vote to keep him from lurking. Is that not how policy votes work?
Why? What does this accomplish? Do you need to get a read on him or not?
None of this explains why you weren't doing much else at that point either. Unless we assume you were scum looking for an easy vote to ride, in which case it all makes perfect sense.
It (ideally) sends the message that he WILL be lynched if he doesn't play, forcing him to post and provide content I can read. I do need a read on him, but to read him I need him to post. Once he's posted, I most certainly can hunt him if I find him suspicious.
I already stated I'd been quite busy over the (typically slow on this subforum) weekend. I didn't anticipate missing so much.
I can accuse you of half-assed excuses because you used a half-assed excuse that doesn't add up with the rest of your actions. If you really cared about reading Ottofar, you'd probably have asked him some questions or something. You didn't. If you were concerned by your lack of meta knowledge, you'd probably be concerned about everyone you're not familiar with. You're not. If you really cared about lurkers, you'd probably be going after more than one and making it clear that they wouldn't be tolerated. You aren't.
1. He had questions he needed to answer; I was fine with seeing what he would do as a starting point. You can disagree with that approach, but I don't see how it's invalid.
2. I am concerned about lack of meta knowledge, but the only people here that I have played few, if any games with are GG, Tiriun, and Ottofar. Everyone else I'm confident that I've either seen enough to have an idea of what to look for, or are skilled enough that meta reads will not be too useful. GG and Tiriun are posting frequently, so I'm getting good reads on them and their behavior. Stating I'm not concerned about them is an assumption on your part.
3. To my knowledge, only Powder Miner was lurking besides Ottofar between my two posts, and Powder Miner came in to explain why (and I found his answer satisfactory since it made sense). The accusation I will continue to ignore lurkers, or actively am doing so, is unfounded.
This is entirely and completely at odds with your earlier statement (and actions) that you didn't have any questions for him, you just wanted him to provide something. If you're worried about him, and worried about reading him, and worried about being able to hunt him, why aren't you hunting him?
It's not at all at odds with my attitude. I wasn't hunting him because he'd been lurking and I had little to go off of. Now, I have something to work with, but he's reading town enough to me that I've got other people I want to hunt. I never said I thought he was scum, just lurking.
And no new vote because...? No questioning of 2/3 of your suspects because...?
Becuase I wasn't sure who was scummier: GG or Tiriun.
Tiriun:PPE (Urist McA and web): By reason of my intervention between GG and PM, what is wrong there? They were biting and snipping on all tiny details of their posts, most of which were counterproductive to scumhunting-- by reason of seeing every error in each other.
First off, I already said what was wrong. Your basis for sticking your nose in and breaking up the fight was based on WIFOM and poor reasoning. Arguing that there was no way scum would bus each other so loudly and noticeably is a terrible argument that doesn't stand up to even elementary knowledge of Mafia. It's obvious WIFOM, yet it was part of your rationale as to why it was a waste of time.
In the post after that, you told Jim you didn't see what was to be gained except a shift in their perception of the other's scumminess. This is otherwise known as the ENTIRE POINT of questioning and scumhunting someone: to get a better perception of whether they are scum or not. So, you wanted to stop them from...figuring out if the other was scum and either voting or moving on based on that conclusion?
It also assumes there's nothing for the REST of us to gain from it, but there is. We can draw our conclusions on one or the other based on the exchange, and can watch how the others respond and read the argument, thereby allowing us to hunt more effectively.
As IronyOwl point out, this is particularly damning:
The Plan: I did not want any experienced townie to suffer the lynch. Looking through the many Mafia games before, townies often get lynched in the first day. Offering up myself while making me look like scum seemed a fair exchange, and taking in the fact that scum would generally not all lurk as a team and some seeming active, I'd make the bait, partly to get conversation going and to keep the scum feel safe and slip up in their hunting.
"I intentionally acted scummy so you'd lynch me and not someone less scummy, and maybe scum would out themselves by attacking me for obviously being scum."
He's already said what I would say here, as did Jim. This is not town play; this is Jester play or a terrible cop-out as scum. I'm not getting jester vibes off you, so tell me what that leaves me to assume?
GG, you're not looking good at all with your last post. Expound on how you feel Tiriun finally crossed the line enough for you to vote him (and no using his terribad "plan", because you voted him PRIOR to that post). Explain why you shifted gears so suddenly from PM to Tiriun after your heated "Post nao!" phase. If you weren't happy with his posts, why did they read town to you? What was wrong with them, or were you just saying that to cover your ass as you switched targets?
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