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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[majikero]

You get free rebirth at 20 actually so that's every 3 weeks.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, that! I forget things.

[itisnotlogical]

I don't remember if I ever tried it, but I think I saw something about not being able to do Windmill because I had a lance equipped.

Do Knights and/or lances actually have a minimum range? I thought the game was just bugging out whenever I wasn't able to attack something. There are plenty of times enemies would just twitch in my direction and not attack me, but I'm sure that's a different story.

I'm glad that Mabinogi is a slow game. Combat Arms, another Nexon game I play, is very much the opposite. Purchased equipment expires over time in CA unless you somehow get enough dough for a permanent pass, so you have to play fairly often and pretty well to earn GP or you'll fall behind in a hurry. It's been somewhat mitigated recently by the addition of "Welcome Back" crates, but you'll still get wrecked unless you have some rather expensive kit or can magically dodge sniper bullets.

My IGN is itisnotlogic because I like to keep things simple

[SirAaronIII]

I don't remember if I ever tried it, but I think I saw something about not being able to do Windmill because I had a lance equipped.

Do Knights and/or lances actually have a minimum range? I thought the game was just bugging out whenever I wasn't able to attack something. There are plenty of times enemies would just twitch in my direction and not attack me, but I'm sure that's a different story.

I'm no Knight but yes, lances have minimum range and can't perform defense or counter (only lance counter, not sure on windmill). The twitching enemies seems to be a recent issue, shadow mission mobs will only be able to walk for a little bit before being stuck in place.

I'm glad that Mabinogi is a slow game. Combat Arms, another Nexon game I play, is very much the opposite. Purchased equipment expires over time in CA unless you somehow get enough dough for a permanent pass, so you have to play fairly often and pretty well to earn GP or you'll fall behind in a hurry. It's been somewhat mitigated recently by the addition of "Welcome Back" crates, but you'll still get wrecked unless you have some rather expensive kit or can magically dodge sniper bullets.

Off topic but I know that feel, having played back when the old cool music was still playing in the lobbies. There's really no way to earn enough GP the way I played (badly for just a couple rounds). Personally I felt like Blacklight Retribution did the gun rental thing better, as renting the flaming burst rifle thing was just 150 monies which is easily obtained in a match.

[Seriyu]

Lances can indeed do windmill, they have a hilarious animation in that the character goes rail straight and just kind've spins

"help I can't stop momentum"

And yes lances have a min range as SirAaron says. THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO WINDMILL, so if something is up in your face you either counter or windmill. Or run away. Everything else is subject to the minimum range. It takes some getting used to but if you have some kind of magical computer that can run the game laglessy despite the servers it's also possible, with good timing, to knock enemyes out of normal attacks with your normal attacks. That's a pretty tricky, unreliable, and last ditch effort though. I'd just use lance counter.

And thank you for putting up with that mountain of text!

[Kaitol]

As a former knight, it can be a bitch because your options are quite limited. You basically smash and smash and smash and if its not dead whelllllp. It had also been years since I played (for like a week) So I had no clue what I was doing or enemy AI or anything. Starting off as a knight as a fresh player can be... rough. Although not as rough as archer.

Also I cannot count the amount of times I lance countered and than that god drat freaking goblin just stood in front of me with smash loaded and waited till my counter ran out then critted me to death. (Also fuck gargoyles and gremlins)

And oh boyyyyyy are you in for a rude awakening when you get into your first real fights. Halfway through G1 I was all smug and crap thinking I was a hotshot badass lancer. Then things got hard. Then they got painful.

Then I ran crying back to Duncan and switched to a sword.

Also, final hit has no minimum range for lances if you're human. But you need to abuse a game mechanic to make that useful (purposefully fail at a berserk scroll so all your enemies get super heavy stander and aren't blown back in final hit)

Also, I love using atlatl as a giant to knock enemies out of normal attack runs. Why waste counter when I can impale them with a five foot javelin with a foot-long diamond-shaped steel point? Which actually does damn good damage.

Five basic combat tips.
1. LEARN AGGRO AND HOW IT WORKS DEAR GOD.
2. LEARN ENEMY AI AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW TO ABUSE IT DEAR GOD.
3. ARCHERS ARE DICKS AT ANY LEVEL. MURDER THEM.
4. I REALLY REALLY HATE GARGOYLES. EVEN WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEM THEY CAN STILL BE MASSIVE TROLLS.
5. FUCK GARGOYLES. GARGOYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

(Also don't do the sulfur spider daily mission without sizable backup. Oh god. Spiders. So many spiders...)

[SirAaronIII]

Most of us are leery at Sulfur Spider inside the Shadow Realm, even with all of us online. Hopefully when I rank Ice Spear a few times it'll be easier or at least less "help we're all blowing up at once"-level.

[Kaitol]

I burned through all 16 Naostones on it. Then I realized that I had only killed the first wave. Why did I try to solo it... WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[SirAaronIII]

That reminds me: Generally, if a mission allows all 8 possible members of a party, it's probably a huge pain. See: Sulfur Spider and Shadow Wizard.

[Seriyu]

Five basic combat tips.
1. LEARN AGGRO AND HOW IT WORKS DEAR GOD.
2. LEARN ENEMY AI AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW TO ABUSE IT DEAR GOD.
3. ARCHERS ARE DICKS AT ANY LEVEL. MURDER THEM.
4. I REALLY REALLY HATE GARGOYLES. EVEN WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEM THEY CAN STILL BE MASSIVE TROLLS.
5. FUCK GARGOYLES. GARGOYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

All of this is relevant for normal combat, to be fair. But you are right, lancing is a one trick pony, and that trick is huge single target damage. It gets better as you progress as lances have natural protection/defense piercing, so those high def and prot enemies later in the game are knocked down a peg or two. Lancing is definitely hard to get the hang of though!

[Girlinhat]

Lances are for taking out bosses or one-shotting enemies.  If you can't defeat them in one shot, and there's no archer to hit a normal shot and stagger them so the boss doesn't slam you, well...

[Sonlirain]

Well i was playing various other games and due to time zones i rarely meet anyone from our guild anyway (usually it's around 1-2 AM when the first guildies log in... sometimes a bit faster) so i rarely meet anyone unless i'm staying late.

Also mabi seems to DELETING ITSELF at random.
I literally do a reset and try to run mabi... file not found.
I check the mabi steam folder... it's 14 MB.

And the best thing... i can download mabi via steam... but it DLs... in... umm... stealth mode?
It kinda downloads but there is no progress bar on steam... mabi doesn't even appear on my steam library.

It's like mabinogi had double RAWs or something.

[Girlinhat]

Being a free-to-play game, it's not listed in Steam until you've downloaded it, otherwise your library would be FULL of free games.

Try to download it via Steam, then change the file location, and in Steam add a non-steam game.  Steam doesn't seem to ever handle the patching anyways.

[Sonlirain]

Being a free-to-play game, it's not listed in Steam until you've downloaded it, otherwise your library would be FULL of free games.

Try to download it via Steam, then change the file location, and in Steam add a non-steam game.  Steam doesn't seem to ever handle the patching anyways.

I tried adding it as a non steam game.
It appeared in the library untill i reset the system... then it disapeared.
And adding it every reset is kinda counterproductive and pointless.

[Singularity125]

So, I found out last weekend that I'm not awesome enough to solo G1's last dungeon by myself just yet... I just can't seem to go 5 floors without making some dumb mistake that gets me killed. I'm wondering if any of you generous souls would be willing to help me out here. Even if all you do is do your own thing but have Advanced Feathers on hand in case I get my butt kicked. (I would supply the feathers, of course).

I just seem, despite my heavy armor, to be built like a glass cannon, and one false move means my immediate demise against the end-of-floor mini-bosses. I haven't even seen Glas yet...