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[NUKE9.13]

Except two townies were killed during the night and ECF is still being lynched today. In short, we simply lost a day. Which was to be expected from your 'plan'.

-Two townies would have been killed during the night anyway.
-ECF being lynched today: Well yes, but now we have more reasons to actually want him dead.
-We lost a day? Really? We gained absolutely no information whatsoever yesterday?
-If you are so mad about the wasted day yesterday... why aren't you voting ECF for making us waste it?

[NativeForeigner]

-We lost a day? Really? We gained absolutely no information whatsoever yesterday?

Yes, we lost a day. The only thing we learned was that EC had a revive. We're almost exactly where we would have been D1 but two townies down.

[NUKE9.13]

-We lost a day? Really? We gained absolutely no information whatsoever yesterday?

Yes, we lost a day. The only thing we learned was that EC had a revive. We're almost exactly where we would have been D1 but two townies down.

And a member of the scumteam down. (Why would you not mention that?)
If Powder Miner is telling the truth, the scum:town ratio has not actually changed.
And we have learnt what roles the fallen had. And we have the conversations from D1. Even if you don't think they are useful now, rereading them at LYLO may be the thing that tips things in town's favour.

Also... I asked you to summarize your D1 case against me. Any chance of that actually happening? Or must I just take your word for it that you actually have a case which I could not possibly defend myself from?

[Darvi]

NUKE, stop bringing in stuff that had nothing to do with the lynch or lack thereof. Web would've died anyway. PM would've used his skill anyway too. The scum/town ratio would've been the same too.

The one thing that trying to lynch did achieve is a) pegging ECF as a definitively con-town player and we wasted his revive.

[NativeForeigner]

-We lost a day? Really? We gained absolutely no information whatsoever yesterday?

Yes, we lost a day. The only thing we learned was that EC had a revive. We're almost exactly where we would have been D1 but two townies down.

And a member of the scumteam down. (Why would you not mention that?)
If Powder Miner is telling the truth, the scum:town ratio has not actually changed.
And we have learnt what roles the fallen had. And we have the conversations from D1. Even if you don't think they are useful now, rereading them at LYLO may be the thing that tips things in town's favour.

Also... I asked you to summarize your D1 case against me. Any chance of that actually happening? Or must I just take your word for it that you actually have a case which I could not possibly defend myself from?

Totally forgot about the one scumdeath, tbh. Still, what Darvi said.

I also forgot to do that. I'll do that when I get the time. Extend.

[NUKE9.13]

NUKE, stop bringing in stuff that had nothing to do with the lynch or lack thereof. Web would've died anyway. PM would've used his skill anyway too. The scum/town ratio would've been the same too.

...exactly. This is what I am saying.
The fact that we didn't lynch someone has not changed the situation, except in that no one died at the end of D1.
Now, its looking incredibly likely that the person who didn't die was actually anti-town this time. However, this is usually not the case- this I believe, and believing this in itself cannot be scummy. If ECF had been town and we the lynch had succeeded, we would now be in the same situation except that we'd be down an additional towny: We would have learnt very little new information, for a heavy price.

[Darvi]

...exactly. This is what I am saying.

Except you're using it to support your stupid no-lynch policy. Which it has nothing to do with. So stop it now.

[Darvi]

...exactly. This is what I am saying.

Except you're using it to support your stupid no-lynch policy. Which it has nothing to do with. So stop it now.

Bluhbluh. Fixed.

[Orangebottle]

Er. Crap. Sorry about that last post. I've been very confused and angry for the last couple of days. Leaving at this point, though, is a terrible thing to do.
I am no longer requesting a replacement.
I'll be rereading a bit to see if I missed anything during my little episode.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Well then gald you changed your mind. Welcome back

[Orangebottle]

OB:-Seriously? Everybody? When just asking for Dariush's top three suspects and his reasons would be enough? Even though he does it afterwards, I get the feeling that he's actively trying to make Dariush's life hard.

I don't like Dariush. Period. Also, I don't see how forming an opinion on everyone in the game is all that hard. He could've been like,"X is obvscum, Y is town, I don't really have an opinion for these 5 people.". I'd still accept the answer.

-"No I'm not chainsawing Dariush because then I'd be refuting all his arguments". No. You are chainsawing because of one flaw (albeit a huge one, but only one nevertheless) in his arguments. "NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE A IS WRONG SO I DONT CARE IF B C OR D ARE RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG ANYWAY" You are still chainsawing him.

I'm almost absolutely sure I was attacking Dariush because he's scummy, and not because I want to get him to back off of NUKE.

-Oh, this one is golden.

...I distinctly remember you saying in the very post I'm quoting right now that you're not defending him.

I'm pointing out that you're fucking lying, and there are very few reasons for a townie to lie. Especially when you're answering someone else's question you scumbucket. So, why the fuck are you lying?!

D:"You said you weren't defending him". OB:"YEAH WELL I SAID THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR". Nice ad hominem attack there bro.

I was really, really angry. These things happen when I'm that angry.

-

Nice padding there, Dariush.

"Lalala I'm not listening".

When a good portion of a case is either not a scumtell or the same shit being restated, then I'm not going to listen to it.
Did I miss anyone? If so, please point out your post.

[ECrownofFire]

OB:-Seriously? Everybody? When just asking for Dariush's top three suspects and his reasons would be enough? Even though he does it afterwards, I get the feeling that he's actively trying to make Dariush's life hard.

I don't like Dariush. Period. Also, I don't see how forming an opinion on everyone in the game is all that hard. He could've been like,"X is obvscum, Y is town, I don't really have an opinion for these 5 people.". I'd still accept the answer.

Are you, Dariush, and NUKE establishing some kind of hate-triangle?

Well then gald you changed your mind. Welcome back

You there, give me your opinions on people who aren't me or NUKE.

Actually, same goes for everyone else.

[Orangebottle]

Are you, Dariush, and NUKE establishing some kind of hate-triangle?

Yes.
Was there an actual point to this question?

Actually, same goes for everyone else.

I can see how asking one person their opinions might help you somehow. But asking everyone for their opinions on everyone all at once makes you look like you're trying too hard. So before I answer your question, answer mine:
How is this supposed to help you hunt scum?

[Orangebottle]

Oh, I missed Jack. Sorry 'bout that.

He used Ockham's as an example, where the same thing that always happens happened as far as NUKE is concerned. NUKE wasn't the one exaggerating his townmeta in that game.

Orangebottle: So...your reaction to my comment is to almost completely ignore it, and just restate a different part of your case?  That's certainly a sign of townieness.  Care to actually respond to my comment?

I was trying to explain to you why I was confused about what he said, and why I thought he was saying this=this. I need to use more words next time.

Orangebottle: Why, when you're attacking people for using WIFOM against NUKE, are you using WIFOM to defend yourself?  Actually, why are you using WIFOM to defend yourself at all?

I'm pretty sure that's how you defend someone, and not WIFOM at all. I mean, sure, you could go,"Maybe he wants me to think he's not defending NUKE." And that would be exactly correct, because my intent is not to defend NUKE, but to attack Dariush, which is why I'm not trying to refute the rest of everyone's case against him. As for the "He wants me to think that he's defending NUKE," that's just stupid and I don't really need to explain why that's stupid.

Defending someone against one point of a million is still defending that person, and that's why your statement is WIFOMy.

Oh.
I'm not sure why; I didn't think it was very Wine-y at the time. Actually, I'm pretty sure I just didn't think.

[ECrownofFire]

Are you, Dariush, and NUKE establishing some kind of hate-triangle?

Yes.
Was there an actual point to this question?

Not really

Actually, same goes for everyone else.

I can see how asking one person their opinions might help you somehow. But asking everyone for their opinions on everyone all at once makes you look like you're trying too hard. So before I answer your question, answer mine:
How is this supposed to help you hunt scum?

Maybe I want some people's opinions on people who aren't the latest bandwagon.