See, now, this I disagree with. It presupposes that scummy behavior is a uniquely scummy phenomenon--which, if it were true, would mean that townies never get lynched.
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It should be. It ought to be. On the deepest level, only those who are scum can be scummy. Others seeming scummy is misinterpretation. A mistake.
Mistakes happen, but town is not scum. Town does not do scummy things. They are misinterpreted as being scummy.
Furthermore, it ignores two very important facts:
1) Innocent behavior can be twisted around to look scummy, either by scum or by well-intentioned townies.
And that is wrong, and we should punish those who do it. But if you don't believe you can properly point out how your words have been twisted, that is quite likely because they haven't been. In other words, yes, words can be twisted. But twisted words can be untwisted, the twister revealed. We cannot let all words go unexamined because they might be twisted.
More to the point, in context, this is not an important fact, and it has not been ignored. Your fear was that your words alone were scummy, twisted or no. Fool.
2) On occasion, in the interests of the town, one is required to say something that sounds suspicious no matter how you put it.
Wrong. In no situation I have ever encountered have I thought: I could never explain this sufficiently as that my intentions would not seem pure. Unless, of course, my intentions weren't pure.
Naturally, such explanations can be inordinately long, and one must cut corners so as not to make every post a four page essay. However, should someone require clarification, it should be possible to grant it. Never should it be the case that the clarification cannot be granted.
I gotta admit, though, I admire your rhetorical strategy. As Nathan Ford put it once--paraphrasing here--"Declare victory, keep acting like you've already won, and eventually it'll be the truth."
Thank you. I gotta admit, I hate yours. I can't tell whether you are town or scum, but either way, I don't like the way you are playing.
Granted, it requires completely ignoring or dismissing facts that contradict the view that you're right, but hey, act confident enough and that actually works on most people.
Ah. It was not a compliment. Well, fair enough.
For what it's worth, though, I'd probably be tossing him under the bus if we were scumchums. That is, in the vernacular, how I roll.
D:<
Remember when I said that it was the last time you would get the benefit of the doubt? Its just up a few lines, if you forgot.
I lied.
This is the last time. But you had best cut this scummy shit out.
Five seconds earlier:
On a more serious note, if I was a jester, you wouldn't know it. You would think I was scum who made a tiny slip up, and you would feel so proud as you led me to the gallows. See: Cult Mafia.
I gotta love how me saying what I would do if I was scum is scummy, but you saying what you would do if you were a Jester isn't suspicious at all.
Five seconds later:Understand that this alone is not too bad.
Selective editing. Don't do it. It makes me angry.
But, I'm not mad, as contradictions aren't inherently scummy behavior. Everyone makes mistakes.
Heh heh heh heh heh.
Clever.
But I didn't contradict myself. No need to forgive what hasn't happened.
Again you're assuming too much : i know exactly two things about him from my pm: That he recently died and that his name was Anthony Engleford. I don't even know how,where or exactly when he died.
Bullshit. This is just mentioned as a passing comment, with no reference to his relation to you?
Oh yeah, I have that too. My role PM mentions that John Smith died recently.[/joke]
You are covering something up, and it is something that town shouldn't have to cover up.
Like this one!
Dude already said numerous times that the referenced personage is his brother. Pretending that he didn't and using that as if it were a contradiction is almost like, oh, I don't know,you made up a flaw to point out, which, I think you should be able to agree, is not ok.
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I am confused. What are you trying to say, here?
I don't accuse Simple of a contradiction. I accuse him of lying about how much detail he got, on account of how being informed about the death of some random dude, with no additional information, is ridiculous.
In fact, as you can clearly see, in the nested quote itself, Simple claims that his role PM doesn't even mention that he is his brother.
How is it that whilst accusing me of contradicting someone, you yourself manage to contradict them?
"Panicking" isn't a uniquely scummy behavior, ya know. Prod someone enough and they'll get defensive no matter what side they're on.
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Stop the freaking presses.
But seriously; there is a difference between town panic and scum panic, and what simple is doing is scum panic.
I guess your metric for Simple being innocent would be, I don't know, if he ignored all your questions and refused to defend himself? Or would you twist that one around, too?
If he ignored my questions? Well, I imagine I might get quite upset, yes.
My metric for him being innocent would clearly be if he answered my accusation satisfactorily. For example, if instead of calling the accusation ridiculous for patently false reasons, then backtracking when there falsehood is pointed out, and making ridiculous counterarguments, he were to, say, deny the allegations, I would be sated. Completely convinced, no, obviously not. The suspicion would lurk in my mind, and I might bring it up again later. But town would have no other course of action than to simply deny my accusations, and would not feel the need to counter attack. They would not feel pressured, really. A little nervous, confused, yes. Panicked right off the bat, no. I am not the master of the jimbots, I control no army of mindslaves to follow my every command. One guy's voteless suspicion is nothing to be feared- if one is innocent.
You might have some good points about Simple--despite the absolutely ludicrous place your investigation started from--but you're making quite a few (un)intuitive leaps.
Heh heh heh heh heh.
Remember earlier, when I was saying how you try not to disagree, try to echo what has been said? That's what this is.
My every point comes forth from my starting point; the entire thing collapses without it.
LIST THE GOOD POINTS WITH WHICH YOU AGREE.
Also, it's worth noting that if you genuinely believe him to be an SK, that would make him a pretty sweet target for scum to go after, so tagging him as such instead of more believably tagging him as scum seems like a good way to get the rest of your buddies in on it, instead of having them wait for the bandwagon to get going.
...whaaaa?
Yeah, that's a bit spurious
Tell me about it! I honestly can't tell what the flying fuck you are trying to say. Please clarify.
,but with everything else I'm totes going to vote NUKE.
Wait, what. Why? What everything else. I'm sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I've missed all the actual points against me.
As a point of clarification, my vote has nothing to do with Simple's innocence or guilt,
Yeah, throw that in there. That way, if Simple flips scum, you won't look so bad, right?
As I'm undecided on that point. I'm leaning towards the former, but that's mostly because I don't think NUKE and his carpet bag full of "super confidence" and "100% truthfacts" are on the up and up.
Tch, tch. Lazy, lazy.
Really lazy.
Let me serve up some super confident 100% truthfacts which bug you so:
I am accusing Simple of being a SK.
If I am scum, that does not change the likelihood of him being a SK, because scum and SKs are not affiliated.
You lazy, lazy person. To clarify, it is lazy because you wanted to say Simple is probably town, but needed some way to say it without looking odd. But the reason you choose to use doesn't fit, because you didn't bother to check that before using it. Because you are lazy. Also some of the other stuff you do is lazy (Selective editing? Really?). It doesn't really matter. I am confused as to your defence of Simple (because that is what it is), given that he is a SK. I am going to assume you are a deluded townie, suffering tunnelling.
No hard feelings.
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