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[ChairmanPoo]

My (limited) experience of the CofE is that they're actually pretty good about adhering to all the New Testament, not just the bits that enable their parishoners to feel smug and superior compared to their heathen neighbours

I bet you one euro against one buck that I can find lots of stuff they don't adhere to. Fast, too.

[Leafsnail]

The CofE have been looking progressive lately

...The institution that keeps threatening to be split apart by the latest scandal involving a gay/ female bishop/ priest/ whatever the next rank up from the last one was?

[palsch]

...The institution that keeps threatening to be split apart by the latest scandal involving a gay/ female bishop/ priest/ whatever the next rank up from the last one was?

Actually why I said CofE specifically rather than the Anglican church.

The Church of England is, particularly when it comes to gender and sexuality, more progressive than the Anglican church as a whole, especially the African church. A lot of recent schism threats have come from CofE leadership being too liberal about gay and women priests and bishops. Admittedly the American Episcopal church is far to the left of the CofE.

My experience has always been the non-religious population are more progressively minded than the Church when it comes to social issues, but they were more progressive than most other comparable Christian groups. On economic issues plenty of communists, socialists and Tories in each group, with the Church having more communists and socialists than it's history and traditional views would suggest.

[Dsarker]

My (limited) experience of the CofE is that they're actually pretty good about adhering to all the New Testament, not just the bits that enable their parishoners to feel smug and superior compared to their heathen neighbours

I bet you one euro against one buck that I can find lots of stuff they don't adhere to. Fast, too.

Quick look through.

Do they promote wively subservience? (couple of Paul's letters (actually Deutero-Paul, but that should make no nevermind))

Do they promote martyrdom? (First Petrine letter)

[SalmonGod]

Occupy Oakland turned the police barrier fences into a modest work of art.



Also, did I mention that they've received official blessing from city officials to reclaim their camp?

[Nadaka]

There is a group "oathkeepers.org" who should be standing with the protesters against assault by police. But they are not. So it looks like they are not what they claim to be, and are instead just a conservative faction. I am disappointed.

[SalmonGod]

http://www.occupytheboardroom.org/

Kind of an interesting initiative to reach out to the 1%


Also, there is now apparently full footage of Scott Olsen getting shot.  I won't be able to watch it myself until tonight.  I won't post links until I can verify that it's something we haven't seen already.  Comments indicate that he was shot directly in the face at very short range while standing completely still in front of the police line.

[palsch]

Also, there is now apparently full footage of Scott Olsen getting shot.  I won't be able to watch it myself until tonight.  I won't post links until I can verify that it's something we haven't seen already.  Comments indicate that he was shot directly in the face at very short range while standing completely still in front of the police line.

I wouldn't call it full, but it shows before/after.

There is a second angle that shows Olsen clearly standing still. They have tried to match the canisters being thrown around to synch the times with the original footage shown. The smoke trail and a flash do match what happened from the other angle.

Just the footage.
A full Democracy! Now piece that includes the relevant footage.

[SalmonGod]

Thanks palsch

Anonymous video message to Scott Olsen

Spoiler: Transcript (click to show/hide)

Scott Olson,

It has come to our attention that you have been critically injured by the Oakland Police Department for standing up for the American peoples’ First Amendment Rights. The honor and courage you have displayed on the battlefield is only overshadowed by the cowardice and dishonor displayed by those who have committed these inhumane crimes against you.

As you stand in solidarity with the people of the world, Anonymous stands in solidarity with you Scott. A bullet to the head of our brother is a bullet to the head of us all. We may not share the physical pain and hardships you are enduring, but know that we feel the emotional turmoil that comes along with this injury that being inflicted on you has been inflicted on all free Americans.

You are a veteran of foreign war, a brave soldier who has stood up for his people in the face of death in a strange land. Whether our presence in the Middle East is justified or not, we commend those brave men and women who defend our Constitutional rights from enemies, both foreign AND domestic. In standing your ground in Oakland you have become one of the few Americans who have done BOTH.

For your efforts we will not give you an award or medal; these tokens are meaningless. For your efforts we will bestow upon you the highest honor a man could receive, the love and solidarity of your fellow free men and women around the world. You have shown us that freedom of speech comes with a price, and how to stand firm in the face of tyranny.

From Anonymous and free people of the world;
we love you and hope you get well very soon.

Edit:  Here's a pretty good collection of data visualizations related to the movement in various ways.

[Dsarker]

I feel a quote is appropriate here.

The rich usually imagine that, if they do not physically rob the poor, they are committing no sin. But the sin of the rich consists in not sharing their wealth with the poor. In fact, the rich person who keeps all his wealth for himself is committing a form of robbery. The reason is that in truth all wealth comes from God, and so belongs to everyone equally. The proof of this is all around us. Look at the succulent fruits which the which the trees and the bushes produce. Look at the fertile soil which yields each year such an abundant harvest. Look at the sweet grapes on the vines, which gives us wine to drink. The rich may claim that they own many fields in which fruits and grain grow; but it is God who causes seeds to sprout and mature. The duty of the rich is to share the harvest of their fields with all who work in them and with all in need.

[SalmonGod]

Providence, Rhode Island may be the next to get the eviction treatment.

The eviction notice has been scanned and uploaded to occupyprovidence.com

Page 1
Page 2

[Truean]

Some city officials appear more willing to bargain on availability of space occupancy:

"The duration of this proposed agreement is approximately one week for maintenance and lighting. This agreement, in its current form does not constitute an offer to be accepted by either party. Though currently understood between the parties as tentative, in exchange for vacating unconditionally the public square area, the protesters, not to exceed 1000 individuals at one time shall be permitted to demonstrate peaceably and orderly at another to be determined location. Said location shall be a major landmark with high public visibility. Proposed locations include but are not limited to the area immediately around city hall, the[redacted] court building, and [redacted] stadium. No individual, at any time for any reason, shall disrupt the orderly flow of traffic and parking or impede the interests of businesses and their patrons. Orderly, designated areas shall be predetermined for this purpose. All demonstrating individuals are to be instructed in the terms of this agreement. Demonstrators are responsible for sanitation and rubbish removal and shall provide for such at no additional expense to the city."

It's a start....

[Impending Doom]

Thanks palsch

Anonymous video message to Scott Olsen

Spoiler: Transcript (click to show/hide)

Scott Olson,

It has come to our attention that you have been critically injured by the Oakland Police Department for standing up for the American peoples’ First Amendment Rights. The honor and courage you have displayed on the battlefield is only overshadowed by the cowardice and dishonor displayed by those who have committed these inhumane crimes against you.

As you stand in solidarity with the people of the world, Anonymous stands in solidarity with you Scott. A bullet to the head of our brother is a bullet to the head of us all. We may not share the physical pain and hardships you are enduring, but know that we feel the emotional turmoil that comes along with this injury that being inflicted on you has been inflicted on all free Americans.

You are a veteran of foreign war, a brave soldier who has stood up for his people in the face of death in a strange land. Whether our presence in the Middle East is justified or not, we commend those brave men and women who defend our Constitutional rights from enemies, both foreign AND domestic. In standing your ground in Oakland you have become one of the few Americans who have done BOTH.

For your efforts we will not give you an award or medal; these tokens are meaningless. For your efforts we will bestow upon you the highest honor a man could receive, the love and solidarity of your fellow free men and women around the world. You have shown us that freedom of speech comes with a price, and how to stand firm in the face of tyranny.

From Anonymous and free people of the world;
we love you and hope you get well very soon.

Edit:  Here's a pretty good collection of data visualizations related to the movement in various ways.

Because the support of a gaggle of bored teenagers who trash websites for the lulz and hide behind legitimate movements to avoid reproach is exactly what Occupy needs right now.

[Truean]

Agreed. Sadly there isn't a lot of organized PR currently and thus the chaos is not exactly going over well in some circles. I understand the ideas proposed by many (including SalmonGod whom I respectfully disagree with) that having a leader(s) will create a point of vulnerability. I would say in the same breath, not having one leaves you open to different, though equally hindering  weaknesses.

One of the ideas being mulled over currently is the triple positive of community service. You adopt a highway or otherwise pick up some cigarette butts. You hold that up as a PR point, the city looks the other way on some things, and you're actually making a difference while being highly visible holding up signs....

"Get a job? I'm cleaning up the mess everyone else made...." <-- Works literally and figuratively while dispelling the 'lazy bunch' bad PR problem.

[SalmonGod]

I would say in the same breath, not having one leaves you open to different, though equally hindering  weaknesses.

I do agree with this.

But better organization is developing.  Probably not as much of it is related to PR as it should be, but lots of interesting stuff.

Douglas Rushkoff, the author of that article I posted on another thread about jobs becoming obsolete, has some interesting observations on the subject.


Edit:   This article discusses how search trends show significantly stronger interest in Occupy than the Tea Party, but Occupy receives only slightly more media coverage.  The comparison of volume of news stories actually looks like a more significant difference to me than what they make it sound like, but it's their article...


Another Edit:   Soooo.... apparently military veterans have declared their intent to protect protesters from the police, and have begun patrolling Occupy camps in multiple cities with combat firearms (most stories are mentioning AR-15s).  Even if I were there, I doubt this would make me feel any safer