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[Truean]

Lol, that is pretty bizarre.

And Fox makes a fortune off it.... [sigh]

O and here are links/sources:
http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/10/04/anti-semitism-occupy-wall-st
http://conservativehideout.com/wordpress/2011/10/05/anti-semitism-alert-occupy-wall-street-protester-lets-it-fly/
http://www.politicususa.com/en/occupy-wall-street-anti-semitic

In summation, they found one moron who doesn't like Jewish People and said he speaks for the entire thing.... While the same thing was done at the Tea Party, the difference is I bet all if not the overwhelming majority of us will publicly denounce this guy's remarks. The Tea Party, however, did not denounce the bad things they said in many cases, especially the beliefs that A.) President Obama is Muslim, and B.) that being Muslim is somehow inherently bad. In fact, it's kind of a trend.
Fox News -- Fair and Balanced

One definite drawback of not having a well defined organization, is that there isn't a quick and definite response denying this/dealing with a well organized machine like Fox.

[Reiina]

Just watched "Mr Smith goes to Washington" a few weeks ago.
It's funny how it's still relevant today(the movie is from 1939), in fact I would argue that not much has changed.

Of course in reality there is no Mr Smith, and there is no good ending .

Slightly off topic, but I loved that movie when I was a kid. Watched it more recently and I just realized how much I should hate that movie. It's glamorizing a loophole in the system which is used, mostly, to stall progress and allowing one, or a few people to completely shut down the discussion in the Senate. I also seriously doubt it's been possible any time in the last 150 years for a Senator to get elected based simply upon the help of a few plucky young boys and a locally printed and hand delivered newspaper.

That movie is pure patriotic fantastical propaganda. An idealized version of what we want our government to look like without any basis in the reality of what it actually is.

You have to realize that he isn't actually elected. He's chosen by the governor(which is still the procedure if a senator dies nowadays) because he's popular with the public and he's an ideal stooge...
You gotta love how the media manipulate the people(did someone say fox?) and the police "disperse" the pro smith crowds with water canons in the movie though, could be today :p.
And yes it's an idealistic movie, I liked it, I guess I'm an idealist :p.
Sorry for bringing this off topic btw.

[Impending Doom]

Huh. Then Fox Radio must be way more radical than their television station, because I haven't heard anything like that from there.

[SalmonGod]

One definite drawback of not having a well defined organization, is that there isn't a quick and definite response denying this/dealing with a well organized machine like Fox.

I can only hope that not being a well-defined organization means it can spread with the virility of an idea, rather than an exclusive club.  This will lead to the shortest possible amount of time before every brainwashed Fox News viewer knows someone directly involved in the movement, and can no longer be illusioned when the truth is right in front of their faces.  This probably won't mean anything for someone like your dad, but I hope there aren't too many people that far gone 

[Truean]

One definite drawback of not having a well defined organization, is that there isn't a quick and definite response denying this/dealing with a well organized machine like Fox.

I can only hope that not being a well-defined organization means it can spread with the virility of an idea, rather than an exclusive club.  This will lead to the shortest possible amount of time before every brainwashed Fox News viewer knows someone directly involved in the movement, and can no longer be illusioned when the truth is right in front of their faces.  This probably won't mean anything for someone like your dad, but I hope there aren't too many people that far gone 

I know we're not going to agree on this and that's fine; "Truean's" DF traits include "Loves to make lists and keep schedules." With that trait in mind, we aren't going to mesh that way. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I might be) but you seem to be thinking somewhere along the lines of "organization holds you back and concentrates power to be corrupted or beaten." My idea would be, "It can, but doesn't have to. Rather, an organization can specifically be modeled to spread an idea and disperse power instead of concentrate it while imposing countermeasures against corruption." Exclusivity isn't a requisite of organization. Winning an asymmetric fight, in my experience, requires organization to focus your limited resources to the opposition's pressure points.

As for the most extreme Fox News Viewers/Listeners.... My experience is that they hear and see only what they want. The hardcore ones employ only a friend or foe recognition system. If you say what they say, you are friend, if not you are foe, an immediate target, and shall be personally insulted to the point of oblivion with McCarthy Era shouts of Communist, Terrorist, Sheeple etc. My dad will always see large corporations as good (even as they mess with his pension) and though I have repeatedly gotten him to agree that there have been massive corporate abuses (Enron writing checks to Mr. M. Yass, or if you move the M over... "MYass") he will never change. His brain hits a segfault and reverts to the slogans. I don't know how many there are out there, but there are enough to be a significant roadblock.

[SalmonGod]

I actually halfway agree with you.  Organization is a good thing.  It was the "well-defined" part that I focused on, where it seems to me like most people's concept of a well-defined organization is one with centralized leadership and membership controls that maintain clearly defined sets of common traits or motives.

And on the topic of an asymmetric fight -- anything goes, so long as you remember what you're fighting for.  If you're forced to adopt the very traits and methods you oppose, then you've already lost.

Edit:

Suddenly, I'm in the mood for ice cream

[kaijyuu]

*is currently eating some ben & jerry's ice cream*


Well that's interesting, and pretty awesome.

[Urist Mcinternetuser]

I was filmed.... but I don't think the new people aired my footage. They said it was live but I can't find the clip on their website. 

[Miggy]

Today, this movement appeared on the danish day-time news.

[Chaoswizkid]

Today, this movement appeared on the danish day-time news.

Great to hear. Did the news talk about the protests in the US or the ones that are occurring in Europe (or both)?

[Aqizzar]

By the way, you'll probably hear about it at some point, but there is a new website making rounds: OccupyParty.org.  Do not go there, do not "donate" any money to them.  It's a site made entirely of stock photos, with no connection to any other "Occupy" related sites, registered to an Australian PO box.

While it may have taken about three weeks for reporters to start paying attention to these rallies, once they did, it took about three days for somebody to try to make a fast buck off of it.  It's poignant really.

[Miggy]

Today, this movement appeared on the danish day-time news.

Great to hear. Did the news talk about the protests in the US or the ones that are occurring in Europe (or both)?

Actually, now that I'm looking through its archives, DR (Denmark's Radio, government sponsored news agency) first rolled the story wednesday at 10 PM and has been updated at least once a day since. Today's update was about the support given to the movement by the recent nobel peace prize women, as well as general international support, including danish support. It mentioned the facebook page "Occupy Denmark".

About that facebook page, I'm not really sure what to think of it. I don't know whether it's an attempt to support the american movement, or if it's trying to start a similar danish movement. I'm all in support for the movement in the US, but we don't have it as bad as you guys, by a long shot. The concept of the 99% is just really not applicable at all here, so if they are genuinely trying to grow a similar movement, I don't see it going anywhere. It seems stale and copy cat ish, and none of the complaints are really legitimate.

[SalmonGod]

Just found out there's a livestream up of the event in Indianapolis, which officially began exactly an hour ago.

[RedKing]

Just found out there's a livestream up of the event in Indianapolis, which officially began exactly an hour ago.

I took a gander, but the stream was down more than up and the video was too washed out to see much. Some decent conversation in the chat though.

[alway]

While waiting for the bus back to campus, I noticed the bus stop sign had 'occupywallst.org' scrawled on it in marker.
In Rochester, NY btw.