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KaelGotDwarves

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #165 on: October 06, 2011, 01:31:24 am »

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« Reply #166 on: October 06, 2011, 01:33:29 am »

That's amazing.  It even tops the Guy Fawkes-style facial hair being drawn on the Autism Speaks posters at the bus stops around here.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #167 on: October 06, 2011, 01:35:59 am »

Yeah, I was blown away by the amount of those masks at the SF protests lately.

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« Reply #168 on: October 06, 2011, 05:06:19 am »

I meant "stick it to the man" mockingly, not that one of them actually said it (on video, at least). Most of them are just spewing the same rhetoric we hear all the time, so it's hard for me to take it seriously (then again, I'm a bit of cynic when it comes to this sort of thing).

Ah, I see. I understood that the tone was mocking, but I thought you meant it a bit more meaningful (like you thought all of them are just stoner hippies who can't argue their way out of a wet paper sack when their views are actually confronted. At least that's the picture I get when I think of people trying to "Stick it to the man.").

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An unorganized protest is too unfocused to have a serious effect. Even a focused protest tends to accomplish little, if anything meaningful. The people in power know what people say, they certainly aren't that stupid. The only thing that makes protests work is to show that people can be organized against something, and that makes them dangerous. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because in the end, the threat of force is the only thing keeping them in line (except the very rare politician that actually cares for the people and was unaware of what the people wanted). Everything else is just a warning that we will resort to force if they don't shape up, and means nothing if we are not willing to follow through with it. This can be used for good or bad.

That being said, protests have been bastardized and now just seem loud and obnoxious, regardless of their message. Or is it just my cynicism again?

No, quite often protests are portrayed as being loud, obnoxious, inconvenient, misguided, etc., at least that I've seen, so I agree with you there. I believe that this social movement is a bit different though. The point isn't to be as absolutely organized as possible (thought organization is great), the point is to disallow anyone from ignoring the protests. There's going to be such a ruckus, for so long, that SOMETHING will have to be done, and if nothing's done, then this movement will still impact the future leaders of America (and possibly those of other nations which also have Occupy protests starting up).

The Occupy protests have a strong internet-culture following, social media is exploding with information, the mainstream news is even reporting on it. Even if people don't really know about it, they've at least HEARD of it. The main message behind the Occupy movement is also a sentiment held by a lot of Americans. Important people, especially politicians, are going to be asked about the protests, and if they want to whore themselves out for votes (or seemingly whore themselves out for votes, sometimes they don't realize their target audience can see through veiled lies), they're going to have to acknowledge them and incorporate it somehow into their platform.
That is the danger of these protests for politicians, in my opinion.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #169 on: October 06, 2011, 05:31:12 pm »

Debating on whether I should attend the protests in Indianapolis this weekend.  Getting arrested could completely ruin my family's life, so I'm trying to find any indication of how I can expect local police to handle the situation.

Getting sidetracked by lots of people showing their true colors.

Will probably end up posting more such links in the near future.

Edit:   For those who are critical of the lack of leadership/organization/deliberate PR/succinct demands/a solid battle plan.  This guy covers a lot of my feelings on that issue.  He got me thinking about it from another angle, too.  He comments on how internet culture and its unique forms of interaction and incorporation of diversity are prominent features of this protest.  In a lot of ways, I think one could consider this movement open source.
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« Reply #170 on: October 06, 2011, 10:39:13 pm »

I'm headed to the 2nd Assembly for Occupy Raleigh on Sunday. I'll take some snaps to post. Not worried about the police response here. Raleigh PD are a good bunch, the mayor is a good guy -- they're not going to be breaking out the tear gas or batons or anything. Given the way the GOP legislature here has been fucking over EVERYONE (including law enforcement), I wouldn't be surprised to see some off-duty cops joining in.
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« Reply #171 on: October 06, 2011, 10:41:21 pm »

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« Reply #172 on: October 06, 2011, 10:44:28 pm »

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« Reply #173 on: October 06, 2011, 10:48:43 pm »


Getting sidetracked by lots of people showing their true colors.


There was an almost verbatim scandal in Spain, with several officers relishing in facebook the chance to exert violence upon peaceful protesters.
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« Reply #174 on: October 06, 2011, 10:57:11 pm »

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« Reply #175 on: October 06, 2011, 11:14:46 pm »

A friend of mine started an OccupyTogether movement today, and we're meeting in two weeks. Fliers are going out, people notified. This town may only contain 5000 residents, but there are at least 100 people we have confirmation on. This is going to be big for this town. I really doubt it will become violent, though. If it does, I will be incredibly surprised. We have only a dozen police officers in this county and they all seem to know just about everybody.
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« Reply #176 on: October 07, 2011, 12:52:15 am »


Right back at you. I'll be going to the Occupy Olympia (WA) general assembly tomorrow.
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« Reply #177 on: October 07, 2011, 12:54:44 am »

One of the things that I would think that most of the protesters would be in opposition to is unlimited corporate influence in the form of theoretically limitless donations to political campaigns.

For instance, what Stephen Colbert has been purposefully doing with his political action committee on his excellent show, and the route he was able to take through a shell corporation to begin laundering money anonymously through that company to his PAC.

After the beating that the electoral system has taken since the Supreme Court allowed things like this, perhaps it's time for corporations and the wealthy to be as limited as the less wealthy in representation in government at least.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #178 on: October 07, 2011, 01:11:23 am »

One of the things that I would think that most of the protesters would be in opposition to is unlimited corporate influence in the form of theoretically limitless donations to political campaigns.

For instance, what Stephen Colbert has been purposefully doing with his political action committee on his excellent show, and the route he was able to take through a shell corporation to begin laundering money anonymously through that company to his PAC.

After the beating that the electoral system has taken since the Supreme Court allowed things like this, perhaps it's time for corporations and the wealthy to be as limited as the less wealthy in representation in government at least.
Wouldn't work. They will always find some way to give gifts under the radar or as technically legal. I propose that all elected officials (at least on the federal level) have absolutely all of their finances open to the public. Every penny they spend, every penny they recieve, every gift, anything that goes through them. They have to willingly accept the position and knowingly know that this comes with it. And because there is total transparency, it could be more closely and easily monitored by the public. And since everything is supposed to be viewable, any gaps will set off a red flag (otherwise, most of those gaps would just be legal stuff, and they could continue to hide the info). This assumes my interpretation of the constitution that privacy is not protected directly, however, so it will probably never happen. This also protects the right of the organization/rich to donate their money as they please. Since it's gonna happen anyways, we need to be able to keep an eye on it.

Is this still on the rails?

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« Reply #179 on: October 07, 2011, 01:13:28 am »

Yup.

Let's make the panopticon even bigger, guys!  Then surely there'll be enough checks and balances and power dispersal for everyone!

Scrap the fucking system.  Rule of majority is ridiculous.
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