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[Taricus]

What Navy?

[filiusenox]

I wonder how Karaf will respond to John's slight racial slur.

[Dwarmin]

I'm guessing he'll just terrorize the oceans until Laythe spends the money on a navy, then.

Given that Ligoria heavily relies on the sea for trade and food, he could cause alot of problems.

[Taricus]

Actually, it's more of an exporter. Still plenty of food grown in the countryside.

Also Cannons need an engineer as base, and a sailor if it's to be placed on a ship. Ship-borne ones are weaker compared to their landlocked cousins however...

[micelus]

I wonder how Karaf will respond to John's slight racial slur.

Doesn't care at all. He's been trained to ignore emotion and insults. That, and he doesn't consider it worthy of his status; he's a hatcuri equivalent of a janissary. Yeah, he's technically a slave.

[NUKE9.13]

Fair enough. BUT only if you stat ground cannons as siege weapons too :3

Hmm.
When did I start doing mechanics D:
Anyway, does this sound reasonable?

Siege upgrades:
Heavy cannon: Str+0, +4 Str vs walled fortifications, +1 Str defending walled fortifications. Causes Fear.
Upgrade Cost:  3 Ducats, 1 Engineer. Also requires iron/bronze, and someone who knows how to makes cannons.
Upkeep:  +2.5 Ducats/year

Light cannon: Str+2, +1 Str vs walled fortifications, +1 Str defending walled fortifications. Causes Fear.
Upgrade Cost:  4 Ducats, 1 Engineer. Also requires iron/bronze, and someone who knows how to makes cannons.
Upkeep:  +2.5 Ducats/year

Siege cannons cannot be used on ships. Similarly, ship cannons cannot be used on land.

Land upgrades:
Arquebusiers:  +1 Str. Causes Fear
Upgrade Cost:  2 Ducats, 1 engineer. Requires someone who knows how to make arquebusiers.
Upkeep:  +2 Ducats

Fear adds +1 to friendly tactics and subtracts -1 from enemy tactics rolls. Fear stacks. After each round lost to an enemy which causes fear, roll a die. On a 6+, lose the battle (flee). Each subsequent time you make this check, reduce the difficulty by the amount of fear the enemy causes, minus the amount of fear you cause. If you cause equal or greater fear than the enemy, reduce by 1. Situational bonuses or an experienced general may increase moral.

Uh, so, gunpowder weapons are expensive, need someone highly trained to make them, and are not very strong outside of sieges, but have the fear gimmick which can end large battles quickly, especially if the enemy doesn't have any gunpowder weapons of their own. How does that sound?

Also Cannons need an engineer as base, and a sailor if it's to be placed on a ship. Ship-borne ones are weaker compared to their landlocked cousins however...

Ah, right, right. Cannons also take a sailor specialist for mounting on a ship.
However, the second point: Patently false. Ships-based cannons change their aim by moving the ship, which is easy, and the other guys can't just run up to the guncrew and kill them. Landlocked cannons can't move around the battlefield, and have arrows flying overhead and people charging towards them as they work, stressing them out and making them less efficient.
At least until more advanced cannons become available. Even then, cannons are better weapons for ships than for armies, and always will be.
Oh, but they don't cause fear. No time to be afraid, when a single good shot could sink you.

[SeriousConcentrate]

"In any case, you may question the ones that defended the Temple. Go get that guardman to go with you if he's in the city as well, Tristan, I think his name was..."

*is totally in Vale*

[Ardas]

There will be no need for navy once my project gets funding. It will take some time, but its mostly about organization and innovative tactics with new type of units. No need for any engineers or specialists, save for me of course.

[Taricus]

Nuke, I meant stronger as in you can make the cannons more powerful...

[NUKE9.13]

Nuke, I meant stronger as in you can make the cannons more powerful...

Well, yes. You can make massive things that would leave anything that a ship could handle the recoil of in the dust qua brute strength, but their effective strength is lower.

[Taricus]

Would wall cannons be a good use?

[filiusenox]

Anyway, I'm going to leave off leaving Vale for tommorow, so fanofgaming gots enough time to do stuff if he wants.
This is a message to Micelus and Fanofgaming, I need both of your approvals before The Party can leave Vale.

[Terenos]

Oh yeah, by the by me and CG are nearly done making a reasonable research system, which will give us a University building and yknow, fun stuff in that vein.

And yknow..Working on my post. But yknow. Should see something soon.

[micelus]

Anyway, I'm going to leave off leaving Vale for tommorow, so fanofgaming gots enough time to do stuff if he wants.
This is a message to Micelus and Fanofgaming, I need both of your approvals before The Party can leave Vale.

I approve after fanofgaming is done preparing.

And yknow..Working on my post. But yknow. Should see something soon.

You've been saying that for a while. Either your: a) busy b) putting it off c) IT'S HUGE.

[CyberGenesis]

He's planning a lot...and we're allowing it because, well, it needs to be done. And hey, writing all of your posts in haiku form is HARD

Research! Woot! Yeah, working on that

So anyway, i'm mostly caught up...gonna go edit treasuries