Iowa attempts total ban of abortion.
It's like the right-wing doesn't even pay attention to federal judiciary rulings anymore.
Well i hate to break it to yea, but they don't have to listen to the supreme court.
The most powerful court in the united states, with nothing to enforce it 
They kind of do. People always say that the Supreme Court has no enforcing power, but that isn't true. Judicial president is a vital aspect of the court system, and one which is strong enough to overturn laws which disagree with it easily.
So they do in fact have to listen to the Supreme Court, or all of their lawmaking attempts will be shot down by judges even if they do pass.
Let me explain how this works:
Legislature: "Fuck you Supreme Court; we don't have to listen to you."
Judiciary: "You know how there have to be trials or court orders for your laws to have any effect...? Do you want there to be none of those? Or, should we pretend to hide it by just ... letting everyone go? You know, us not listening to you...?"
The government and the legislature particularly need the courts more than anyone else. Otherwise what they do seems completely illegitimate. Yeah....
As applies to you, Truean.
1. The asshats who plague your existence are not making honest use of their genuine belief in your case. If they are, then they haven't thought through their beliefs very well, which is itself a moral failing on their part, and in which case it's more accurate to say that you are a victim of their stupidity. More likely, they are abusing supposed beliefs as a shallow excuse to project their own insecurities and/or attack an idea that they simply find unappealing. In short, they are not trying to save you.
Most do believe it, and my family honestly does. They think all gays are child molesters and far worse. O there might be some ulterior motive in there too, but they believe it entirely.
As for your second point, I've found it's active malice on their part, which they justify in various ways.
When you live a life of oppression and suffering for no reason while being told it is your fault, you come out of it in one of two ways. You become either a saint or a terrible person. Guess which I am.
Alrighty. Not everyone has conditional empathy, though. Do understand that.
Understood long ago; never, ever cared about.
Why do you think atheists/etc quote the bible when arguing with these people?... In any real debate between two parties, that doesn't work.
Dunno about others. I do it for my own gratification. It's funny that I know the bible better than 90% of people who don't like me because of it. It isn't a real debate and never can be, so I'm not giving them the pleasure/unearned privilege of one.
I only bring this up since you seem to be trying to make logical arguments against these people when posting. That's not really necessary when preaching to the choir. Nor does it really work if we look at your arguments from the opposition's perspective. If ya wanna rant, just rant 
I enjoy arguing. I do it a lot and for a living. [shrugs]. Many people I work with, work for, and work against are completely irrational assholes and terrible. I, on the other hand, consider it natural and somewhat enjoyable. I'm just sharpening my tools. "Winning" was never an objective or thing I expected.
I spent a good portion of my life telling myself this. Was I being irrational? Not really. Self destructive, certainly, but not irrational. To fix it, I just changed my premises; figured out why, deep down, they weren't what I believed. No amount of telling me "you're being stupid" would've fixed it. To change my opinion, I had to reach the new conclusion logically. Any attacking or forcing me to "change" would've only strengthened my resolve.
People like that are of the very few who can be persuaded. The overwhelming majority are irrational assholes. Again, not my job to fix them.
No one has ever said you need to respect other's views. Nor them acting on them. Just their right to have them. And if you ever want to fight their views effectively, you'll have to understand them. Realize why they don't make sense, from the stated premises. Only them will you ever be able to convince any second party (instead of a third party) in an argument.
I do not have to respect anyone's right to have the belief that I am a child molester because I am gay and going to hell for it. Anyone with this view is someone I will smile at for the express purpose of gaining their trust just enough for them to turn around.... I have not, do not and will never respect anyone's right to have this belief.
I always forgive my enemies; they will never see my vengeance coming.
You say you don't care about changing people's opinions. Well then, how will your abuse ever end?
It won't. That's the point. Respecting someone's horrendous bigotry about me will not end it either.
You can't change the world but you can certainly change the immediate world around you. "Save" them in your own way (assuming that's possible; I don't know the people you know). I did suggest fighting tooth and nail in my previous reply, but only because that's an easier, short term solution.
No. Not my duty to change their prejudice ass minds. If they think that all gays are child molesters, then fuck them. If they were choking to death on food in front of me and I had the ability to save their lives, then I wouldn't save them. I have no legal duty and feel no moral obligation to do so. Assuming there was no negative consequence to me or I couldn't use this opportunity as a way to gain their false trust later to screw them over even worse, I would stare directly into their face with a straight look on mine and watch them die. I don't have to "save" them and they don't deserve my efforts after making my life hell.
Let's even assume it was somehow my duty to change their stupid minds. What would that entail? A conversation about how I and other homosexuals are not child molesters? Wow, I should never, ever have to say that/it should be a given....
You wanna end your own personal abuse, you run away or force your abusers to leave you alone. You wanna end this abuse permanently, you're going to have to actually convince someone of something. Yelling at them, telling them they're evil, works exactly as well as them telling you you're evil, and abomination, etc.
These people aren't capable of rationality or reason. On those rare occasions my preferred method of hiding from them doesn't work, I find duress works wonders to stop abuse. I don't care if its right or wrong. Crude but effective. They will never stop thinking I am less than a human being, no matter what I do. I have begged, I have pleaded, I have reasoned with. I have done all of this exceedingly well. All were incredibly ineffective. Sheer terror of what I'll have done back to them, well.... That worked. Civilized, no. Effective, yes.
I don't really WANT this to be the case, but unfortunately it is. I'd love to be able to reason with these people. I'm good at reasoning and its so much easier for me to do. They don't wanna hear it; they just don't care. Something's wrong with us gays.... What?
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