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[Virex]

You're still thinking from your own viewpoint, which is that someone has to have a lot of sex to be a slut, while I'm saying that the problem is due to a viewpoint mismatch. To people who define sluts as overly promiscuous, it doesn't matter if they're still virgins or are getting it on with 3 guys, a girl and a dog at the same time, if they behave in a certain way they're a slut.

Wait. So to people who define sluts as overly promiscuous, it doesn't matter if they're promiscuous? What the hell?

If you want to argue that wearing skimpy outfits doesn't constitute promiscuous behavior, then be my guest. If you want to argue that having large amounts of anonymous sex isn't promiscuous behavior, then go ahead as well. I'm just saying that a lot of misunderstandings come from a difference in definitions.

[G-Flex]

If you want to argue that wearing skimpy outfits doesn't constitute promiscuous behavior, then be my guest.

To me, being sexually "promiscuous" implies sexual activity. Apparently, that's the opinion of actual dictionaries as well.

If you want to argue that having large amounts of anonymous sex isn't promiscuous behavior, then go ahead as well.

Er, I wouldn't say that because that is, in fact, a sufficient condition for being "promiscuous". Don't put words into my mouth.

I'm just saying that a lot of misunderstandings come from a difference in definitions.

When you use definitions that aren't the same as the ones actually used in the English vernacular (or formal English, for that matter), then yes, there will be misunderstandings. If you're going to redefine words for your own purposes during a conversation, please be kind enough to let us know. The gist of the word "promiscuous" in any context is that of being casually indiscriminate, and applied to sex it refers to that sort of behavior when it comes to sexual partners and activity. It does not mean "a tease" or "someone who dresses as you imagine someone who is actually promiscuous might dress".

The fact that you would conflate the two concepts (a person who dresses in a highly sexualized manner and a person who is sexually indiscriminate or has many partners) to the point of redefining words probably says something about you, or about how you approach this subject.

[Virex]

The fact that you would conflate the two concepts (a person who dresses in a highly sexualized manner and a person who is sexually indiscriminate or has many partners) to the point of redefining words probably says something about you, or about how you approach this subject.

I haven't actually said anything about my own point of view here (which would be closer to the idea that the very concept behind the word "slut" is morally despicable, because it implies that sexual behavior can be a defining characteristic by which you can judge someone. Liking someone more or less because they get laid often is downright sexist if you ask me).


Instead I was arguing that a lot of people, including some I know (and I think this also includes Mindmaker, judging from his reaction to this discussion), do have definitions that differ from the dictionary and that therefor, in this case, arguing from the textbook definition is going to be futile. This also explains why many non-rapists and even some women get on the wrong side of the discussion from time to time.

[G-Flex]

Liking someone more or less because they get laid often is downright sexist if you ask me

What sense does this make? If you judge people based on their sexual activity, but don't judge differently based on their sex or gender, how in God's name is that possibly sexist? You can call it despicable, but it's only "sexist" if you don't apply the same standards to everyone.

[Siquo]

Liking someone more or less because they get laid often is downright sexist if you ask me

It's actually promiscuist. I am such a person. I tend to have a lot of female friends who sleep (or have slept) around a lot (yay for sluts! It's not a bad word, it's sharing the love!), and a lot of male friends who don't. Yet somehow they never end up together, however much I try.

[Descan]

"Hey, guy-who-doesn't-sleep-around! Wanna get together with girl-who-sleeps-around?"

No matter if you see it as a good thing to sleep around or a bad thing, sometimes it's fairly obvious why something won't work.

[Virex]

Liking someone more or less because they get laid often is downright sexist if you ask me

What sense does this make? If you judge people based on their sexual activity, but don't judge differently based on their sex or gender, how in God's name is that possibly sexist? You can call it despicable, but it's only "sexist" if you don't apply the same standards to everyone.

Hmm, you're right. If there truly is someone who doesn't believe in the "lock and key" bullcrap, but still disrespects people based upon how often they get laid, then he would not be sexist (at least not on this point), but just a complete dick.

[G-Flex]

"Hey, guy-who-doesn't-sleep-around! Wanna get together with girl-who-sleeps-around?"

No matter if you see it as a good thing to sleep around or a bad thing, sometimes it's fairly obvious why something won't work.

Yeah, Siquo is acting as if he's surprised that people who view relationships/sex differently from each other wouldn't stand a good chance of getting together.

[Vector]

Right.

The reason why slut is an issue is because it's basically yet another derogatory word that only applies to women.


But you know what?

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

[G-Flex]

The reason why slut is an issue is because it's basically yet another derogatory word that only applies to women.

Yeah. Regardless of your sexual ethics/morality/viewpoint, that needs to be seen as a problem.

I don't know if the whole "SlutWalk" thing will really have much effect, though. It seems like the kind of preaching-to-the-choir thing progressive groups tend to do sometimes, where they make a big semi-controversial statement that probably just makes them look bad to anyone who doesn't already agree with them. Trying to think of it from the perspective of a typical, heteronormative, gender-biased Average Guy, I can't see why someone like that would be impressed or change their mind much about anything. One thing a lot of progressives seem to forget is that you have to reach out to the people you disagree with, not simply alienate them. Even the evangelicals know that... sort of.

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

But this is clearly not sexist, as in the extremely hypothetical case of a man being pregnant, he could be allowed to die too!! ¯\(°_o)/¯

Seriously though, the fact that that actually passed through Congress disturbs the hell out of me. Why the hell are American politics so disconnected from reality? Not that conservatives have a monopoly on it, but they seem to be setting the bar pretty damn high.

[freeformschooler]

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

I don't think I understand. Was this put in place as a "do anything to avoid abortion, anything" act? Because after reading the article, that's the gist I'm getting.

This is really pretty stupid.

[Nadaka]

Right.

The reason why slut is an issue is because it's basically yet another derogatory word that only applies to women.


But you know what?

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

My eye is twitching after reading that. Let them die seems to be the new mantra of the right, both from the religious AND fiscal conservatives.

I don't believe that violence is an acceptable solution to political issues... But I am having ethical qualms about that stance.

[Siquo]

Right.

The reason why slut is an issue is because it's basically yet another derogatory word that only applies to women.

Wiki says: "Slut or slattern is a pejorative term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous."
A. Individual, not woman. Although mostly used for women, male sluts exist.
B. As much as it pains me to say, Virex was right bythis definition: a slut is not someone who is promiscuous, but someone who is considered promiscuous, so dressing sluttily makes you a slut even if you don't sleep around.
C. I like sluts. Most of them are in the category of "strong women who know what they want", which makes it a "bad thing" for some men who don't like their women strong. Their loss

But you know what?

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

Wow. WTF.

[Vector]

The dictionary definition tells you nothing about the common usage.  I have never heard it used for straight men.  Effeminate gay ones and women, yes, but never anyone who had a traditionally male presentation, whether they slept around or not.

I believe the usual word for men is something more like "player."

[Virex]

This is much more important.  Fuck those assholes.  Fuck them.

I don't get that law? Was is previously forbidden to euthanize a pregnant woman or something?