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[penguify]

Do vampires, when disguised, still transform others? Say, would Vampire X, who claims to be C, and gets a cut, when D drinks X's blood, would it track it as if it belonged to X or C? Would you be able to tell a vampire if it bleeds by the name on the blood?

By my understanding: They aren't actually transforming, they're just assuming a role. The thing with teeth elongating while they feed is separate. Their physical properties remain unchanged, thus the blood still carries the appropriate properties to transform others.

But what Toady says is that the blood doesn't have any properties that makes it transform except that it is linked to the historical figure who happens to be a vampire. While they are disguised, if they bleed blood of the disguise, would it stop them from transforming others?

No. There are disguised ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disguise ), not transformed into different creature.

Yes. But Toady has ALREADY SAID that if the vampire is not an important historical figure, and gets culled, the blood of it does not work. So will it, as it stands, display the blood as if it were from a vampire (and allow you to identify it) or as the disguisee and allow you to become a vampire or as the disguisee and not turn you into a vampire?

A chart would be useful here.
U = Blood labeled "Urist McTotallyNotAVampireHonest"
V = Blood labeled "Bloodletter the bloodguzzler of bleeding-veins"
(Obviously, Urist McTotallyNotAVampireHonest is the disguised form of our vampire)
T = Blood transforms others
N = Blood doesn't


X = True
- = False
? = What happens?

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  U V
T ? X
N ? -

Further, which blood does he bleed when disguised as Urist? It'd blow his cover if he bled vampire blood, right?

[Torchy]

Further, which blood does he bleed when disguised as Urist?

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!

[eux0r]

isnt the naming of blood handled in the way, that the blood gets internally linked to the person in question, so it gets the name the creature in question is displayed with? so the blood may be named ursist mctotalynotavampires blood but since urist mctotalynotavampire _is_ a vampire, it still transforms?

[Areyar]

Maybe it was already answered, but is spilled blood a hint in determining murders?
I understand the corpse can be hidden, if there were no witnesses?
Will other un-discovered items be invisible to Armok (me) in time? such as stuff in caves.

[O11O1]

I was doing some trading and craft making, and a thought occured to me:

Will the ability to make toy stuffed animals ever be implemented, and if so, what list would be used for this? Also, do dwarves make their stuffed animals just out of cloth and silk, or also leather and stone?

The idea of plush forgotten beasts amuses me.

[Neonivek]

I was doing some trading and craft making, and a thought occured to me:

Will the ability to make toy stuffed animals ever be implemented, and if so, what list would be used for this? Also, do dwarves make their stuffed animals just out of cloth and silk, or also leather and stone?

The idea of plush forgotten beasts amuses me.

Did those exist back then?

[Rip0k]

I was doing some trading and craft making, and a thought occured to me:

Will the ability to make toy stuffed animals ever be implemented, and if so, what list would be used for this? Also, do dwarves make their stuffed animals just out of cloth and silk, or also leather and stone?

The idea of plush forgotten beasts amuses me.

Did those exist back then?

That just made my day

[Dae]

Do vampires, when disguised, still transform others? Say, would Vampire X, who claims to be C, and gets a cut, when D drinks X's blood, would it track it as if it belonged to X or C? Would you be able to tell a vampire if it bleeds by the name on the blood?

By my understanding: They aren't actually transforming, they're just assuming a role. The thing with teeth elongating while they feed is separate. Their physical properties remain unchanged, thus the blood still carries the appropriate properties to transform others.

But what Toady says is that the blood doesn't have any properties that makes it transform except that it is linked to the historical figure who happens to be a vampire. While they are disguised, if they bleed blood of the disguise, would it stop them from transforming others?

No. There are disguised ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disguise ), not transformed into different creature.

Yes. But Toady has ALREADY SAID that if the vampire is not an important historical figure, and gets culled, the blood of it does not work. So will it, as it stands, display the blood as if it were from a vampire (and allow you to identify it) or as the disguisee and allow you to become a vampire or as the disguisee and not turn you into a vampire?

IIRC he also said that vampires for now were ALWAYS historical figures. But that raises a question : if a disguise is just another "displayed name", is the disguise name also an historical figure ? Can a disguise be culled while the vampire name stays known ? In other words, what happens if a vampire in disguise bleeds in worldgen, will the blood be called by the disguise name ? If so, what happens if the disguise name gets lost ?

[Knight Otu]

Why mountain caves are placed only on the borders of mountains?

Presumably because the inner mountains are semi-off-limits.

Do vampires, when disguised, still transform others? Say, would Vampire X, who claims to be C, and gets a cut, when D drinks X's blood, would it track it as if it belonged to X or C? Would you be able to tell a vampire if it bleeds by the name on the blood?

We know that the disguised vampires retain their other abilities and just repress those that would betray them outside of combat (maybe they just repress their speed, maybe they use the creature definition to determine how they should act). Thus, it is most likely that all of the interaction effects apply, including the transformative abilities of their blood. Whether they actively transform dwarves in your fortress is an interesting question, but I suspect we'd have heard about that.

Will the ability to make toy stuffed animals ever be implemented, and if so, what list would be used for this? Also, do dwarves make their stuffed animals just out of cloth and silk, or also leather and stone?

Did those exist back then?

Apparently rag dolls existed as far back as 300BC. Not quite stuffed animals, but the idea has existed before the cut-off point.

[rhesusmacabre]

Dwarven plushies would be stuffed with gravel (or just chunks of granite) however.

[irdsm]

Dwarven plushies would be stuffed with gravel (or just chunks of granite) however.

Oh I dunno, glass and metal bars seem reasonable too.

[Mel_Vixen]

Actually figurines of animals as well as many puppets made from various material including stones like alabaster where often cultic objects. Healing and Voodoo puppets come to mind but also little figurines that display shamanic animals or prehistoric idealisations like the various Venus figurines. It wouldnt be a big step towards stuffed animals although the trade-value of such things would be low as long you dont have Brand-name like "Steiff". Its just that you can make such an animalsfrom leftover cloth and some filling like wool or even straws.

[monk12]

Dwarven plushies would be stuffed with gravel (or just chunks of granite) however.

Oh I dunno, glass and metal bars seem reasonable too.

And I'm sure they menace with spikes.

[monk12]

Exciting new devlog! If you like bridges, anyway.

I LOVE BRIDGES!

Are all bridges the same right now, or do they vary? Covered bridges, open bridges, so on and so forth.

I imagine fences instead of walls is going to wait on fences existing at all. I'm hoping to tour the bridges of Urist County.

[[NO_THOUGHT]]

Now that some crimes can be hidden, will it be possible to kill (accidentally of course) an entire caravan and not have the civilization know (and start war) as long as you left no survivors?