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[Darvi]

Nah, that's stupidity.

[TheDarkJay]

Nah, stupidity is what the world is made of. Lies get it to work.

I repeat:
Any man who tries to be good all the time is bound to come to ruin among the great number who are not good. - Machiavelli

[Taricus]

Quote from "The prince" if I'm right?

[Darvi]

How good that I'm a jerk then.

However, that's beside the point. Who are people more likely going to listen to? The group of best buds who got bullied by the single, fragile, and weak loner, or the single person who claims to have only acted in self defence after repeated complaining didn't work?

Don't need to answer, I had to find it out the hard way.

[TheDarkJay]

In my experience, the loner.

Quote from "The prince" if I'm right?

Yep. Machiavelli gets a lot of stick but the book is a genuinely good read. So too is his book on (and advocating) the formation of republics, Discourses on Livy. In fact, in both he is very concerned with keeping the people happy and argues content peasants rarely revolt so long as they don't think they can get better than they have.

Also he gets misquoted a lot. Take his "Better to be feared than loved" paraphrase. He actually said that "The answer is that one would like to be both the one and the other; but because it is difficult to combine them, it is far safer to be feared than loved if you cannot be both."

[Darvi]

In my experience, the loner.

Meep, wrong.

[TheDarkJay]

So I take it you haven't learnt to make yourself cry and to play for sympathy?

Seriously, practice that. Being able to cry on cue, or at least appear on the verge of tears but "holding back great sadness" is pretty damned useful...so is knowing how to get people sympathetic to your side.

[Darvi]

That only got me sent to the psychologist.

Seriously, people are a bunch of fucktards around here.

[TheDarkJay]

And you couldn't convince the psychologist you were being bullied?

Wow, do they just send the drop-outs there or what? I mean, it's a terrible feeling to be pitied but it's at least something you can usually use to your advantage...

Unless you did what I'd have been very tempted to do if sent to a psychologist and act like you were just plain craaaazaaay xD

[Leafsnail]

Since secondary school I've been in quite a big group of likeminded people (which has expanded a lot since arriving at sixth form).  There isn't any kind of social hierarchy in it.  The last time there was a "fight" was a joke "Let's take it outside" over Star Wars movies.

I guess I've been lucky in that regard.  I mean, I only have a small number of people I'd consider as friends, but I trust them quite a lot and I feel like I'm on good terms with pretty much everyone I interact with regularly.

Sure. And then they go whining to whatever authority there is around. And since they're being unreasonable as ever, you're the bad guy at the end.

And, since you've done worse things than them, you are the bad guy and they'd be completely correct in treating you as one.

[TheDarkJay]

But you have to make sure you aren't seen as the bad guy. That's the point I'm making. You have to stack the cards so that in the end you win. I'm not claiming to be advocating anything resembling conventional justice or morality here. I'm saying the most effective solution with the best outcome for you most likely involves breaking your own moral codes, or at least societies.

[Urist is dead tome]

I'm going to have to say that to avoid bullying in general you're going to just have to be stronger than the bully.

[DrPoo]

Well i keep getting bullied by some bitch who thinks i am yucky or something, i hate her. In the start i ignored her and didnt really care, but then she began saying "Ew!" when i was near, and theese crackheads of a administration assigned me to the same class as her, now i have been living through this terror the last 2 years. Its driving me crazy, and it eats my soul away, the only feeling i feel is rage, all the time, i cannot love anyone, i cannot be friendly anymore, and the only thing that pleases me now is the image of her mutilated corpse or her astronomically sized ego to be cracked through torture, and her following suicide. And every day i try to keep myself from destroying everything around me or revealing the fact that i am a closet-murderous-psychopat. And it dosent seem like its going to end, i have already spilled boiling hot water in her face once.

Yes that is the truth about me.

[Angel Of Death]

DrPoo, have you ever seen the lyrics to "I Will Kill You" by Cannibal Corpse?

That should give you some murder ideas.

_{Please don't kill anyone}

[Leafsnail]

But you have to make sure you aren't seen as the bad guy. That's the point I'm making. You have to stack the cards so that in the end you win. I'm not claiming to be advocating anything resembling conventional justice or morality here. I'm saying the most effective solution with the best outcome for you most likely involves breaking your own moral codes, or at least societies.

Perhaps you'll get higher up on some kind of school social scale.  But if you have any kind of conscience you'll end up hating yourself, and correctly, because if you did all those things you'd be a massive douchebag.