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Author Topic: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK  (Read 14130 times)

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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #105 on: March 17, 2011, 04:56:32 pm »
Quote from: G-Flex on March 17, 2011, 04:54:40 pm
I don't know about the UK, but depending on where you are in the US, that is not always the case; enforcement can be pretty selective.
Then I guess you and I live in different areas of the US. I've never once seen the police fail to be utterly literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #106 on: March 17, 2011, 05:00:22 pm »
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #107 on: March 17, 2011, 05:04:35 pm »
I've seen a video clip where a cop beat the crap out of a motorcyclist. But then again, that was only a single one.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #108 on: March 17, 2011, 05:11:57 pm »
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on March 17, 2011, 04:56:32 pm
Quote from: G-Flex on March 17, 2011, 04:54:40 pm
I don't know about the UK, but depending on where you are in the US, that is not always the case; enforcement can be pretty selective.
Then I guess you and I live in different areas of the US. I've never once seen the police fail to be utterly literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement.

That's far too absolute a statement for me to take it seriously. "All police are literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement" is a claim that needs some serious backing up and is shot down by even one policeman following the spirit rather than the letter of the law, whereas "the majority of police are literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement" still needs proof but is much easier to swallow.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #109 on: March 17, 2011, 05:14:29 pm »
Quote from: Jackrabbit on March 17, 2011, 05:11:57 pm
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on March 17, 2011, 04:56:32 pm
Quote from: G-Flex on March 17, 2011, 04:54:40 pm
I don't know about the UK, but depending on where you are in the US, that is not always the case; enforcement can be pretty selective.
Then I guess you and I live in different areas of the US. I've never once seen the police fail to be utterly literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement.

That's far too absolute a statement for me to take it seriously. "All police are literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement" is a claim that needs some serious backing up and is shot down by even one policeman following the spirit rather than the letter of the law, whereas "the majority of police are literal and arbitrary in their law enforcement" still needs proof but is much easier to swallow.
I don't think it's true that they all act literal and arbitrary. I've just never seen them do otherwise with my own eyes, so I have my doubts.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #110 on: March 17, 2011, 05:25:16 pm »
They only act like that when they're under very strict orders to do so/are trying to suck up to someone/are plainly being assholes. Again, it mainly depends on whom they actually let join the force.
Any cop with his brains inside his skull would at worst shoo away the "offenders" to somewhere less visible.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #111 on: March 17, 2011, 05:47:52 pm »
back to the OP topic:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49650922/Draft-Rough-Sleeping-and-Soup-Run-Byelaw

the actual law in england.

its designed to get people off the streets and into shelters.  Not necessarily good or the right way to go about it, but it is not what is has been touted as.  All the laws are directed at doing it in open air public.  Private kitchens and such are perfectly ok.  Also, its been illegal to sleep in the streets of England for over 150 years.  FYI.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #112 on: March 17, 2011, 06:14:19 pm »
Well there you go, that's not so bad. But, and this might sound insane, surely they should be working towards supporting people so they can get off the streets, instead of offering them the stick and threatening them to? This seems like a very inefficient way to go about doing things, especially from a PR point of view.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #113 on: March 17, 2011, 06:54:25 pm »
Can we at least change the title from "UK" to "Westminster"?  I feel it's kindof misleading.

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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #114 on: March 17, 2011, 06:55:28 pm »
Does gratitude count as payment? That'd be a pretty funny loophole.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #115 on: March 17, 2011, 07:05:02 pm »
Yeah.  And rubbish?  Pennies?

Heck, since there's no law about giving out pennies, why not just give each person who comes there a penny and then get them to "buy" refreshments?
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #116 on: March 17, 2011, 07:28:10 pm »
Quote from: Gorjo MacGrymm on March 17, 2011, 05:47:52 pm
back to the OP topic:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49650922/Draft-Rough-Sleeping-and-Soup-Run-Byelaw

the actual law in england.

its designed to get people off the streets and into shelters.  Not necessarily good or the right way to go about it, but it is not what is has been touted as.  All the laws are directed at doing it in open air public.  Private kitchens and such are perfectly ok.  Also, its been illegal to sleep in the streets of England for over 150 years.  FYI.

Like 90% of shelters are being shut down due to government funding cuts.

So, no, it's not okay.

Fuck the Tories, seriously. What idiots voted them in? There was a reason we avoided it for so long.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #117 on: March 17, 2011, 07:37:43 pm »
Quote from: Leafsnail on March 17, 2011, 07:05:02 pm
Yeah.  And rubbish?  Pennies?

Heck, since there's no law about giving out pennies, why not just give each person who comes there a penny and then get them to "buy" refreshments?

Although a okay idea on the surface, in real life when you fuck with the law like that it just comes down harder.

Although… this is such stupid law it might work…
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #118 on: March 17, 2011, 07:39:15 pm »
Yeah, I know.  There's probably an anti-smartass law somewhere.
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Re: It is now illegal to be homeless or to feed the homeless in the UK
« Reply #119 on: March 17, 2011, 08:54:01 pm »
When I told my friend about this he said "What the fuck is this?  A national park?  Do not feed the bears?"
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