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[Tellemurius]

I hate to be the one to say this, but:

Aspergers Syndrome is not autism.

It's an autism spectrum disorder; it has syndromes in common with autism, but calling aspergers "autism" is extremely misleading, and trivializes how horrible autism itself is.


This is not to trivialize aspergers, but there needs to be a distinction made here between autism and something that exists on the borderline between autism and normal human function. Autism is normally extremely debilitating, whereas aspergers is... well, incredibly variable, but not anywhere near as severe.

DSM -V is supposed to end the autism fight whenever it comes out.

To me, i guess Aspergers was inhibiting in school, i had the greatest amount of attention span for all of my lectures and my tests were outstanding but i had big issues with assignments and my social skills were nil.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I remember once being concerned that I might have had Aspergers when I first got into learning about psychological disorders about three years ago, but now I'm fairly certain that I am simply extremely introverted and anti-social, nothing more. No mental issues I know of, I've never been psychoanalyzed, but I've never had any reason to be either. As such, I guess I'm fine in the mental department.

I've only met one person who may have been autistic, but I had nowhere near the psychological knowlege to make a guess at the time, and now my memory of her has mostly faded.

[GamerKnight]

Apparently I have border-line Aspergers. It ain't confirmed yet, but a psychologist I went to for anger management and suicide related problems says it's probable. He say's it's my choice whether I want to get tested or not.

[FallingWhale]

IIRC there were more differences. Such as some tendence to make repetitive movements that the autism disorder lacked, and several others. Plus most autism sufferers were under the normal IQ range, whereas Asperger sufferers were distributted normally.

Spoiler: This was the graph from the relevant class, concerning autism IQ distribution, which I posted a while ago. I got it from the relevant .pps file, don't know the original source. Take it as you will (click to show/hide)

I don't understand your graph, most of the numbers are too low to talk at all. And Asperger's usually brings higher IQ not normal.

[Vector]

I don't understand your graph, most of the numbers are too low to talk at all. And Asperger's usually brings higher IQ not normal.

Honey, low-functioning autism generally means one is incapable of speech.  That is an IQ distribution for autistic disorder, not Asperger's.

As for your second statement, I'm going to need some proof of it.  Everything I've ever read--other than things written by AS apologists--implied that it was a normal distribution truncated at the 70-IQ line due to diagnostic criteria.

[Tellemurius]

Autism Spectrum, graph from 16 years ago

[G-Flex]

There's also the fact that an IQ test probably doesn't work so well (for determining how "intelligent" a person is) when their brains function as atypically as that of a seriously autistic person. I doubt the clinical relevance of such a test, at least as far as that is concerned (obviously, having an IQ of 70 still means something).

Autism Spectrum, graph from 16 years ago

And what do the symbols on that mean?

[Tellemurius]

i think its a filler but also represents the linear actions of the brain
http://www.autismasperger.net/intro.htm

[Vector]

If you read the linked article, it says that it represents the amount of variation present under each of the given disorders.

[Tellemurius]

If you read the linked article, it says that it represents the amount of variation present under each of the given disorders.

So i am right and represent linear thought process level

[Vector]

If you read the linked article, it says that it represents the amount of variation present under each of the given disorders.

So i am right and represent linear thought process level

The phrase "linear thought process level" is not in my lexicon.

You are in a room with a table.  An extinguished lamp is on the table.  There are exits to the north and south.

>

[G-Flex]

At this point, it can be difficult to tease out whether certain attributes result from personality or from the autism spectrum disorder.

I've always found this sort of thinking really odd. Where do you draw the line between "personality" and a "disorder" that you've had since infancy? What's the difference, even, especially when you're talking about the same qualities?

[dwarfguy2]

If you read the linked article, it says that it represents the amount of variation present under each of the given disorders.

So i am right and represent linear thought process level

The phrase "linear thought process level" is not in my lexicon.

You are in a room with a table.  An extinguished lamp is on the table.  There are exits to the north and south.

>

xyzzy.

[Tellemurius]

If you read the linked article, it says that it represents the amount of variation present under each of the given disorders.

So i am right and represent linear thought process level

The phrase "linear thought process level" is not in my lexicon.

You are in a room with a table.  An extinguished lamp is on the table.  There are exits to the north and south.

>

> Pull out the bulb and examine it

[Vector]

At this point, it can be difficult to tease out whether certain attributes result from personality or from the autism spectrum disorder.

I've always found this sort of thinking really odd. Where do you draw the line between "personality" and a "disorder" that you've had since infancy? What's the difference, even, especially when you're talking about the same qualities?

The thing is, there's also mood disorders and personality disorders, right?  I don't even know why they try to distinguish it, really.  There's something going on with a person that makes them act in ways most people find suboptimal.  In the end, "personality" is also a syndrome... we don't understand it.  Correction is always going to be about teaching a person how their personal circumstances interact with the outside world, and teaching them how to manage situations differently with new tools.  Does it really matter how long you've had the problems in question?

*sigh*

I guess the reason why it matters is because if one was "normal" before some traumatic event, it might be more about alleviating the aftermath of the trauma than teaching new skills.  I really don't understand this entire phenomenon.


@The guys who fell for the text adventure game: don't even think about it.