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[burningpet]

notice how on the :21 they image shifts. notice the line phasing in and out.
this is obviously edited.

Huh. Looking at the shadows and dust, it does seem there's a "fast forward" at that part skipping ahead at least 15 minutes or so. Not sure what relevance that has to the result other than making it a lot more easily viewable. Are you using that to imply the video itself is... fake, somehow? I'll make sure to bring up the time gap if I see anyone commenting on it in in my other forums in a way that makes it relevant though, I guess.

No, its not fake. just edited.

Let me give you a glimpse at what ran through my and probably SharpKris head as well.

While both of us, serving in the army, had no doubt this house had to be put down for either housing rockets or terrorists/snipers that put israeli soldiers or civilians at risk (Since none of us, i assume for him, i know for me, got any order to demolish a house or kill anyone that didn't pose immediate threat), what bothered us was the only 25 delay between the warning shot and the actual shelling. i watched it and thought to my self, "how could it be?! they promised us the civilians have enough time to evacuate!" then i started looking for evidence proving IAF actually gave enough time for the civilians to evacuate. and walla, its right there.

The fast forward wasn't done in naivety or to spare viewers time, as evidently, they bothered going through every visible shadow at the top and removing it, it was done so whoever edited that video could maintain that the IAF doesn't give enough time to evacuate. and it isn't a surprise this video is tagged "at 25 seconds", headtitled "at 25 seconds", and explained at the text body, "at 25 seconds".

The 25 seconds is the meat of this video. not the graphic presentation of how the IAF demolish terrorist threats.

[SharpKris]

notice how on the :21 they image shifts. notice the line phasing in and out.
this is obviously edited.

Huh. Looking at the shadows and dust, it does seem there's a "fast forward" at that part skipping ahead at least 15 minutes or so. Not sure what relevance that has to the result other than making it a lot more easily viewable. Are you using that to imply the video itself is... fake, somehow? I'll make sure to bring up the time gap if I see anyone commenting on it in in my other forums in a way that makes it relevant though, I guess.

Just making clear that we do give people enough time to clear out of targeted areas. what i would like to know is what the background voices were saying.

[GlyphGryph]

No idea, honestly.

Also, I assume there was an advanced notice of the building being targeted before the video started, hence the setting up of the camera? Otherwise not much of a reason to be videotaping the building.

[SharpKris]

"In the video posted by Watania, viewers see the initial “knock” hit
the top of a nearby house. Twenty-five seconds in, the big explosion
hits."

if that's not foul usage of video editing then i don't know what is

[burningpet]

Hamas seek to acquire missiles from.. North korea.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10992921/Hamas-and-North-Korea-in-secret-arms-deal.html

[Sergarr]

How do they imagine a North Korea shipping weapons across half the world

[Dutchling]

Interesting. Would that increase of lower missile quality ?

[burningpet]

How do they imagine a North Korea shipping weapons across half the world

First step: Sending by air to Iran (N. Korea got caught doing exactly that in the past, as said in the article.)

The relationship between Hamas and North Korea first became public in 2009 when 35 tons of arms, including surface-to-surface rockets and rocket-propelled grenades, were seized after a cargo plane carrying the equipment was forced to make an emergency landing at Bangkok airport. Investigators later confirmed that the arms cache has been destined for Iran, which then planned to smuggle the weapons to Hizbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Second step branches to two options:

1) Shipping by sea to sudan - egypt under a false flag and then by land to the egyptian-gazan border for smuggling. this was the ordinary route up until Sisi decided he prefer not to mingle with terrorists, seeing they are tad unpredictable. it is still possible because the gazans might put more efforts into hiding their egyptian tunnels rather than using them openly and freely like they had in the past. (which made knowing and destroying them much easier) Israel already caught weapons shipped from iran to sudan.
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4495452,00.html (Nevermind the hebrew, watch the videos and the weapons that got caught. this time they used panama flag)

Another incident (there were quite a few)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karine_A_Affair (Read the explained sources for the funds as admitted by the financing guy who was in charge for the purchase: Some International aid, Some tax money israel collected and paid the PA.)

2) By land through iraq - syria - lebanon, then by sea to Egypt and across the border to gaza. IDF has destroyed multiple shipments addressed for hezbollah on the iraqi-syrian border, but from hezbollah, it could very well reach egypt through the sea. again, this is far harder now.

[10ebbor10]

Interesting. Would that increase of lower missile quality ?

Boosts, probably. It's soviet missile technology, and we all know that if you want decent rockets you need a totalitarian regime to build it for you.

[Sergarr]

Interesting. Would that increase of lower missile quality ?

Boosts, probably. It's soviet missile technology, and we all know that if you want decent rockets you need a totalitarian regime to build it for you.

I'd say lower, because soviet technology relies on good material science and good raw materials. Guess what North Korea doesn't have.

[10ebbor10]

Yes, but it's not like Gaza have access to better material and equipment. Besides, soviet equipment has good design tolerances.

[SharpKris]

Yes, but it's not like Gaza have access to better material and equipment. Besides, soviet equipment has good design tolerances.

If all of this mess will ever be over i imagine Gaza being the main export of tunnel digging experts and makeshift rocket construction

[burningpet]

Something that just occurred to me.

Fantasy mode engaged.

Hamas have dug and built, reportedly, a few hundreds kilometers of tunnels.

The distance between Erez crossing to the suburbs of hebron is ~40KM.

With the concrete, materials, time and money hamas spent building offensive and rocket stashing tunnels, Israel and the PA could have built at least a 4 lanes tunnel to connect the west bank and Gaza.

Since such a tunnel would be a few dozes meteres below ground and completely monitored by cameras, they couldn't use the tunnel itself to endanger israelis directly. since israel could place checkpoints on the tunnel entrance and exit, it would be even harder to smuggle weapons through that tunnel between the West bank and Gaza than doing so above ground and israel would have far better knowledge of who goes where and when. Such a tunnel would also go below very little population centers and cross important roads in less than 5 points. this would have allowed the west bank and gaza to connect, without endangering israelis and hence, without israel getting terrified for letting free flow of people between the west bank and gaza on israeli ground. (There's still the problem of terrorists going unarmed to the west bank, arming themselves there and going on an offensive operation. this would mean israel would have to retract to a coherent border that is protected like the gazan border.)

While not ideal, i believe this could be a win-win situation. such a tunnel would keep israel safe while still allow palestines free travel between their two regions. obviously, we need to get rid of hamas to do so and there's probably lots of problems with rivers, topology and such that i haven't thought of. such a tunnel would not even come close to being the world's longest tunnel, so i believe its doable.

Israel and the PA could just build a train (I believe hamas spent money would not have been enough for that though) to ship people and cargo and that would even further lower the risks for israel.

The funding for a future project like this (Since hamas already spent his Aid money on war) could be loaned from Qatar and repaid by the PA with the funds they charge for crossing the tunnel.

[burningpet]

Even though hamas rejected, Israel complied with the UN for an additional 24 hours truce.
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/601/185.html?hp=1&cat=404&loc=1

Disposing of offensive tunnels will continue.

[Frumple]

How the hell do you reconcile continued offensive ground operations with the concept of a truce?