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[burningpet]

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4548924,00.html
Shooting from inside El-Waffa hospital and a phone call to that hospital to assure there are no patients nor civilians inside. the upsetting thing is that international elements have went inside to try and prevent IDF from shooting at this hospital (and later left), essentially and defacto serving as living meat shields for a terror organization. those are probably either journalists that we are supposed to think are objective or UNRWA staff that get funded to serve as channel for hamas.

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4548873,00.html
Belgian cafe:
Dogs allowed. jewish most certainly not.

Truce at the end of the tunnel?
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4548907,00.html

Palestinian official have said they have reached an agreement over the egyptian truce terms with one change. lifting the blockade under american guarantees. i think its still too little, terror organizations should not be tolerated, they should be disarmed.

Another more indepth source, sorry but could only find it in hebrew:
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/600/111.html?hp=1&cat=404&loc=1

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/600/002.html?hp=1&cat=875&loc=2
A combat engineering source has said that it took them more than 60 hours to demolish one offensive tunnel, seeing as it was branched, and the work was done under heavy Hamas and Islamic Jihad's heave fire.

A military expert gave talk at the UN after operation "Cast Lead":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmFc1R8evY&feature=share&hd=1

[palsch]

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4548924,00.html
Shooting from inside El-Waffa hospital and a phone call to that hospital to assure there are no patients nor civilians inside. the upsetting thing is that international elements have went inside to try and prevent IDF from shooting at this hospital (and later left), essentially and defacto serving as living meat shields for a terror organization. those are probably either journalists that we are supposed to think are objective or UNRWA staff that get funded to serve as channel for hamas.

They are volunteer human shields. One of them seems to be Joe Catron who has lived in Gaza for years and seems to have been central to some of the BDS efforts in recent years as well as the ISM. He has appeared on some western media as an independent journalist, but only once or twice IIRC.

[smjjames]

I get slightly annoyed at you guys for not posting english articles, or at the very least, english translations of them.

I'm not saying don't use foriegn language articles, just that it would be nice to be able to read them.

re:Belgium. Don't they have anti-discriminatory laws against that kind of thing? Because that is blatant anti-semitism/racism.

[palsch]

English article about the Belgian incident.

The Turkish text reads: “Dogs are allowed in this establishment but Jews are not under any circumstances.” The French text replaces “Jews” with “Zionists.”
...
“LBCA will file in the coming hours a criminal complaint with the Liege prosecutor over the actions of those responsible for this violation of the July 30 law against racism and xenophobia of 1981,” LBCA said in a statement.

[GlyphGryph]

How dare those people risk their life to protect a hospital the people of Gaza desperately need. Clearly they are just terrorist lovers and heartless monsters! [/sarcasm]

Thanks for the link to the details anyway, palsch. Hopefully the hospital remains standing at the end of this.

[Dutchling]

They can be anything ranging from potential martyrs to "terrorist lovers" depending on what else that hospital is used for.

[burningpet]

How dare those people risk their life to protect a hospital the people of Gaza desperately need. Clearly they are just terrorist lovers and heartless monsters! [/sarcasm]

Thanks for the link to the details anyway, palsch. Hopefully the hospital remains standing at the end of this.

Well, seeing they did so after repeating small arms fire and Anti tank missiles were shot from that hospital, i'd say yes, they can be called "terrorist lovers".

And if they cared about that hospital, all they need is to let the world know the truth, in the hopes it will be harsher to hamas and remove its arms.

[smjjames]

English article about the Belgian incident.

The Turkish text reads: “Dogs are allowed in this establishment but Jews are not under any circumstances.” The French text replaces “Jews” with “Zionists.”
...
“LBCA will file in the coming hours a criminal complaint with the Liege prosecutor over the actions of those responsible for this violation of the July 30 law against racism and xenophobia of 1981,” LBCA said in a statement.

Turkish? I know their relations with Israel aren't great, but I didn't think they would be that hostile, then again, people will be people.

How dare those people risk their life to protect a hospital the people of Gaza desperately need. Clearly they are just terrorist lovers and heartless monsters! [/sarcasm]

Thanks for the link to the details anyway, palsch. Hopefully the hospital remains standing at the end of this.

Well, seeing they did so after repeating small arms fire and Anti tank missiles were shot from that hospital, i'd say yes, they can be called "terrorist lovers".

Can't blame them for trying to keep a hospital operational for the non-terrorist gazans. Lots of lines are incredibly blurred in this conflict, to near unrecognizability.

[palsch]

IDF video on the hospital attack. Starts with extended phone calls suggesting the hospital is completely evacuated of medical teams and patients. Then shows the bombing with apparent secondary explosions (claimed to be stashed rockets and other weapons) as well as an apparent tunnel entrance near the grounds.

Seems to be an unofficial translation of the IDF video.

[Leafsnail]

Punitive demolitions in West Bank are back.  How the hell do you justify this shit?  Why weren't the homes of the terrorists who killed a Palestinian child demolished too?

How dare those people risk their life to protect a hospital the people of Gaza desperately need. Clearly they are just terrorist lovers and heartless monsters! [/sarcasm]

Yeah seriously.  Destroying that hospital would kill hundreds of civilians over the coming months and years even if there is nobody inside when it's blown up.

[smjjames]

"The policy was abandoned in 2005 after the military determined that the demolitions bred resentment and inspired fresh recruits, helping fuel the Palestinian insurgency."

No freaking duh. Why are they doing it again when they have already determined that it'll just backfire. It's like no matter what Israel tries to do, it always backfires on them.

That second sentence might be sarcasm or tounge in cheek as I don't know how many things Israel has tried that either didn't work or later backfired on them.

[burningpet]

Hebrew again. sorry!
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4548980,00.html

ill try best to translate:

"On the way to a truce?
A high official in hamas said this evening that in the coming hours, they will sign a truce between the factions in gaza and israel. the official didn't specify anything beyond that.

Sources in jerusalem says that israel respects the egyptian terms and are now waiting to see if hamas wants to accept those. while at that, elements in israel point out that IDF will still continue to destroy tunnels and later will start a world wide pressure to demilitarize the strip."

[smjjames]

I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas broke the cease fire hours later, or some element that Hamas doesn't have full control of or even some group that wants the fighting to continue.

[Zangi]

This is also hard, but due to other reasons:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=817888401562670&set=vb.100000245535109&type=2&theater

It is probably wrong of me to think: Daww, that is just cute.

[GavJ]

Of course after 911, when jihadists killed a couple of Americans, America reacted calmly and reasonable and outsmarted the terrorists instead of blowing up half the Middle East

First of all, 2 is not the same number as 3,000 last I checked.
Second of all, the fact that America still did overreact probably about 9/11 has nothing to do with the example that they DIDN'T overreact about tunnel cartel violence in the same way.

My point was never that Americans are awesomer than everyone else. My point was that it's possible to not overreact, and not doing so won't be the end of your nation. Cartel tunnels show that to be true, and the lesson can be applied both to Americans with regard to 9/11, and to israel with regard to Gaza.

Well, seeing they did so after repeating small arms fire and Anti tank missiles were shot from that hospital, i'd say yes, they can be called "terrorist lovers".

Seriously, W. T. F.?

Way over the line this time toward crazytown, dude. Israel deciding to blow up a hospital does not make it justified purely on the principle that Israel fired shells at it! Listen to yourself! Somebody defending a hospital despite it being attacked merely means that they are REALLY desperate to not be sick and diseased from now on, instead of just a little bit desperate to not be sick and diseased.