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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 372620 times)

GavJ

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!
« Reply #5910 on: July 23, 2014, 04:23:58 pm »

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Argentina? Peru? India? South africa, really? have you been to those countries? i have. the dirt, it is staggering!
So what? It doesn't matter! If you required pristine, perfect records from every nation before they could pursue human rights, there would be no such thing as human rights, because nobody has a pristine record. That's not how reality works... somewhat bad people have to judge other people, or nothing would ever get done. What matters here is that they are neutral countries, and yet they unanimously see the violations inherent in Israeli (and almost all of them also Palestinian) actions. Also I didn't cherry pick those. They were just the firs 6 neutrals in a row in the comments until I got bored of copying/pasting.

In other words, the whole world is informing you that you have rose-colored glasses on.

And if your response to that is to go down the road of "Arabs are paying off THE ENTIRE WORLD" pant-on-head-crazy conspiracy theories pulled out of thin air, then there's clearly just nothing left to talk about, because you're beyond hope if you seriously believe that. Or if you don't, then you're being a really ineffective troll. Either way, that's not worth seriously responding to.
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« Reply #5911 on: July 23, 2014, 04:29:22 pm »

You are insanely naive if you think money has no political power in this world.
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« Reply #5912 on: July 23, 2014, 04:33:21 pm »

And europe didn't vote No, precisely because the things involving lots of lots of money from filthy rich radical arab countries and lots of lots of muslims in their own countries.
Please tell us more about the vast Qatari conspiracy, that encompasses the entire world other than the US and Israel.
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GavJ

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« Reply #5913 on: July 23, 2014, 04:35:42 pm »

Lol, so "Arabs are not paying off dozens of entire unrelated countries to the point of the entire world being a puppet Arab mouthpiece" is a comment that you somehow twisted into "Money has no power at all ever in politics" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey
Since you seem to be unfamiliar with this color, I link you its wikipedia page as recommended reading.
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« Reply #5914 on: July 23, 2014, 04:37:00 pm »

If you think the UNHRC is uncontroversial, look it up. Spoiler: It's pretty much a joke.
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burningpet

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« Reply #5915 on: July 23, 2014, 04:39:04 pm »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/16/boris-johnson-cable-car-emirates-israel_n_3603097.html

This is pretty mild. but imagine what goes on in some other, far more corrupt countries.
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« Reply #5916 on: July 23, 2014, 04:40:08 pm »

And America voted no, precisely because the things involving lots of lots of money from filthy rich radical hebrews and lots of lots of jews in their own countries.

Hmm... yes... tell us more, alternateRealityburningpet.
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« Reply #5917 on: July 23, 2014, 04:44:41 pm »

If israeli/jewish money is a factor in american politics. why when i point arab money is also a factor in other countries politics, i get mocked?
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« Reply #5918 on: July 23, 2014, 04:48:11 pm »

This may come as a shock, but a cable car line =/= worldwide political control.
*The more you know!*

Also, it looks like a slow news day at HuffPo anyway. The contract merely allows UAE to stop paying for the rail lines if London tries to cut in its enemies as partners or insults them. That seems completely reasonable to me. People should have the right to stop giving money to people who insult them or work with their enemies or competitors. I would on the contrary be fairly shocked if a clause like that were NOT included in almost any similar contract between anybody.

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If israeli/jewish money is a factor in american politics. why when i point arab money is also a factor in other countries politics, i get mocked?
Yes, and I would mock you if you claimed Jews were buying out dozens of entire countries as puppets, as well. You should expect wild new world order conspiracy theories to get mocked from any angle they come from.

Having a mild-moderate influence on the positions of one or two key trading partners? Yes, sure. Making like 20 different countries completely and unerringly follow your every whim and act entirely contrary to logic or morality = pants on head crazy.

The reason all those countries are agreeing about Israeli and Hamas both committing human rights violations... is because Israelis and Hamas are both committing human rights violations...
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« Reply #5919 on: July 23, 2014, 04:53:40 pm »

I didn't say they bought all of them. i said their money is an issue. their gas is an issue. their oil is an issue. do you think they are not using it politically? do you think those things don't affect countries relations? do you think the US alliance with israel doesn't?
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« Reply #5920 on: July 23, 2014, 04:56:23 pm »

The reason all those countries are agreeing about Israeli and Hamas both committing human rights violations... is because Israelis and Hamas are both committing human rights violations...

Except, duh, this resolution isn't targeted at hamas AT ALL.
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« Reply #5921 on: July 23, 2014, 04:59:40 pm »

The general populus of European countries is massively against Israel's actions.  No, you cannot blame this one on the evil Muslims, because the majority of Europeans are not Muslim.
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Poll-Israel-viewed-negatively-around-the-world
The reason why world opinion is swinging against Israel is because the representatives of these countries are finally starting to pay attention to their constituents, who have seen the ever more blatant war crimes in Gaza and the continuing oppression occuring in the West Bank (I see you had absolutely no response to the punitive demolitions campaign) and gotten tired of it.
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GavJ

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« Reply #5922 on: July 23, 2014, 05:06:00 pm »

You brought up money in the context of dozens of countries making statements condemning Hamas and Israel across the board for human rights violations. A little bit of oil clout does not come anywhere CLOSE to explaining that. It might, at best, explain a softer word used here or there. Not world consensus of human rights violations. What causes the consensus is in fact much simpler and more straightforward -- They are agreeing, because they're all recognizing the same obvious reality of violations occurring...

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Except, duh, this resolution isn't targeted at hamas AT ALL.
...Did you read it? Yes, it is.
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The Council condemns all violence against civilians wherever it occurs, including the killing of two Israeli civilians as a result of rocket fire; calls for an immediate cessation of Israeli military assaults throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and an end to attacks against all civilians, including Israeli civilians;
The resolution is calling for the cessation of both sets of attacks.

The fact that the language includes a larger amount of finger wagging at Israel might have, oh I don't know, perhaps something to do with that fact that at the moment, Israel is killing hundreds of times more people than Hamas is.

In any case, I care less about the resolution anyway than I do about the country comments. Resolutions mean jack from the U.N. normally. And they might be written by just a small subset of nations. The split out individual comments are therefore much more relevant to our discussion, I think.
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« Reply #5923 on: July 23, 2014, 05:35:05 pm »

In any case, I care less about the resolution anyway than I do about the country comments. Resolutions mean jack from the U.N. normally. And they might be written by just a small subset of nations. The split out individual comments are therefore much more relevant to our discussion, I think.

Except this resolution deals mainly about forming an international inquiry committee to investigate "israel war crimes" without investigating hamas war crimes, basically, it will completely disregard the israeli necessity to reluctantly hurt civilian population due to hamas war crimes.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!
« Reply #5924 on: July 23, 2014, 05:44:58 pm »

... and it's statements like that is why israel is apparently losing a PR war with a terrorist organization evidentially willing to use children and civilian targets to deter attacks. You don't get free reign to commit war crimes because the other side is doing it. When you're the side that's gunning down kids and blowing up hospitals, it pretty much stops mattering why you're doing it. You're gunning down kids and blowing up hospitals. You've pretty close to lost any and all justification for your actions. There's no so-called "necessity" in the world that's going to excuse that.

And no, certain other nations getting away with shit like that doesn't excuse it either. Sorry. Y'all have screwed the pooch. Hard. Maybe this time the rest of the world will actually react, I'unno.
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