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[Phmcw]

Muslims had nothing to do with riots in France. Let alone unemployed ones. Jeez.

The riots in France had a different cause (and different poeple rioting) every times.

[nenjin]

O Rly? A lot of people seem to disagree with you.

We should probably save that for another thread though.

[Phmcw]

I red you arctic (very good but nothing new, and was preparing o disagree, but the more I wrote about it, the more I understood your point.
If you which to discuss it send me a pm.

[ChairmanPoo]

The recent riots in France were about unemployment and retirement age

[Bouchart]

The recent riots in France were about unemployment and retirement age

True, but there is very high unemployment among muslim Algerians living in France.

[alway]

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/01/28/amid-digital-blackout-anonymous-mass-faxes-wikileaks-cables-to-egypt/
Seems Anon was doing more than the failed DDoS.

[warhammer651]

FAX machines? they still have those?


I can't even remember the last time I saw one.

[Bouchart]

FAX machines? they still have those?


I can't even remember the last time I saw one.

Many copy machines now have built in fax machines.

[Jackrabbit]

This is impossibly interesting.

Also horrible, but being several thousand miles away, interest rather horribly overpowers my shock in this case.

[Aqizzar]

Goddammit, I slept through all the speaking action.  I'll have to find a recording of Mubarak's speech.  Only CNN is still actually showing news.

[Bouchart]

Goddammit, I slept through all the speaking action.  I'll have to find a recording of Mubarak's speech.  Only CNN is still actually showing news.

Don't waste your time.  I haven't seen it but I can't imagine that it's anything but bluster from a man that's gonna be overthrown any day now.

[SalmonGod]

Not sure about that : Turkey collaborate with us pretty closely, and it's working rather well.

For every Turkey, there's a Pakistan, an Iraq and an Afghanistan.

and a jamaica and a most of south america...

Ya I know that wasn't constructive.  Posting mostly to follow the thread.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

The way I see it, these guys have a lot more legitimate reasons to revolt than the Americans had to secede from the British Empire. Would you say that the American Revolution was wrong, Pseudonymous?

I would say it was pointless, yes. A handful of wealthy businessmen who didn't like the trade restrictions and tariffs riled up the populace, which consisted in a large part of religious fanatics who didn't like England to start with (hence why they or their parents left it). Much pointless bloodshed later a weak, fragmented state appeared, and promptly collapsed under its own weight, before they realized that "hey, a weak, fragmented state is a fucktarded thing to want," and managed to pull together a stronger, more unified state with what amounts to chewing gum and duct tape (and imposing the same sort of taxes that they ostensibly revolted against, though by that point the people who didn't like those taxes were in the Government, and thus benefited from them). It could have failed at any of a thousand points; it floundered for decades before shakily getting to its feet.

Revolutions almost never end well. Especially not in third world shitholes, where Cuba is an example of the best case scenario, with the norm being far, far worse. It is not good that one backwater shithole after another is going up in flames. Egypt is going to be much worse off for this, especially with dipshits trying to disseminate inflammatory cables, to further rile up the already pissed-off-and-torching-everything-in-sight revolutionaries.

[DJ]

I guess French shouldn't have revolted either, we'd all be better off if we never switched from feudalism

[Africa]

If the people inciting a revolution manage to install a stable government that's an improvement over the last one, then great, but how often does that happen? Usually whoever ends up seizing power is as bad or worse (see: Iran, whose leaders are of course probably jizzing their robes over how they imagine this is going to turn out).

But from an American perspective, people rioting against the government is the essence of democracy. That's the whole point of the second amendment, that poor misused line, and ultimately where does legitimacy of government derive from if not the collective will of the people? The problem is, "the people" never seem to end up in power; the American revolution is a lucky fluke and even there, the government was still extremely repressive by today's standards (only rich white men get the vote? that's not a legitimate government in my book).

Anyway, Egypt sure can use a change. I just hope this ends well...