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[Leafsnail]

Something you weren't doing, i.e. scumhunting? Now, is that a randomvote I see?

It's far from random.  I'm expecting an explanation as to what the fuck you were doing yesterday.  Don't think you can dodge my last post of day one just because you didn't respond before the lynch.

Janus, you seem pretty relaxed about the whole 'I put a whole lot of pressure into MBP and he flipped town' thing. Also, I have a gut feeling that you'll use your note about scum in bandwagon later, when your partner turns up in it, for gaining credibility... Do you have any particular reason beyond your Org vote other than policy?

Points for trying to get another mislynch out of a clear town v town fight.

[JanusTwoface]

The fact that you just had to say it sticks out, like you needed a self-affirmation of innocence.

And if I hadn't said it, I'm sure someone would have hounded me for implying that I was scum.

Whose alignment are you not making an educated guess for?

That'd be telling.

@Zathras:
You haven't posted anything to the forums since 22 Jan... Any chance you could grace us with your presense?  A LurkerTracker as well if you could?

Rereading, be back in a bit.

[NativeForeigner]

Janus, you seem pretty relaxed about the whole 'I put a whole lot of pressure into MBP and he flipped town' thing. Also, I have a gut feeling that you'll use your note about scum in bandwagon later, when your partner turns up in it, for gaining credibility... Do you have any particular reason beyond your Org vote other than policy?

Points for trying to get another mislynch out of a clear town v town fight.

While it does seem Dariush is taking it a little far, you can never be certain it was a town v town fight. What makes you so certain Janus is town?

[JanusTwoface]

Warning: Wall of text.

First, reads on everyone. It's everything that stood out to me. If you don't think it's useful, well, it is to me.

Spoiler: Various scummy things (click to show/hide)

NOTE: Useful is defined as what I see as useful. Post counts are probably slightly off, I counted them by hand.

6 posts, 4 useful
#28 - RV response without scumhunting
#18 - Self proclaimed lurker, scum or at least anti-town
#112 - Third vote on MBP-wagon

Has been surprisingly useful for PFP. Promised more later (see later), but hasn't delivered. Would like a nice solid post. Leaning town.

12 posts, 10 useful
#118 - Vote, unvote, vote in the same post; looking for scumteams rather than individuals

Don't think he's scum. Annoying when tunneling me Day 1, but not particularly scummy.

6 posts, 2 useful
#187 - First content of the game, broken quotes and confusing wording, seems to suspect Zathras and me both (scumteam hunting)
#199 - Backtracks on previous confusing post

Missing and then confusing as hell. Leaning scum, but might be biased in that regard.

6 posts, 6 useful
#84 - Sounds like knew new MBP'd flip town
#102 - Suspiciously specific comment about third parties, possible third party himself?

Gut feeling says he's third party. Quieter than I'd like, but not unsually so.

18 posts, 18 useful

Same as always. Can never find anything scummy about him.

6 posts, 5 useful
#53 - Attacking Org (like herding cats), slightly scummy in it being only Org

Mostly 'useful' posts, but feels like active lurking. He's been more active in past games. Leaning towards scum.

16 posts, 15 useful

Seems angry, but not particularly scummy. Leaning town.

5 posts, 4 useful
#19 - Hypocritical on seriousness of RV questions
#103 - Wants to be scum so he "doesn't feel bad" getting lynched Day 1
#168 - Blue candy for saying I've been quiet (after I posted why)

Angry, which is par for the course. Don't think I've played a game with him when he was both town and angry. Leaning towards scum.

5 posts, 0 useful
#101 - Over angry, second post with no scumhunting

Useless. He's done the same before, he'll do it again. Bet he'll claim he got bored if pushed on it.

11 posts, 10 useful

I usually have more on him even when he's town. Been making some pretty decent points, more than normal. Leaning town.

27 posts, 22 useful
#41 - Admitted lurker, wants to jump on bandwagons
#70 - Too hesitant
#73 - Keeps a backup plan, looks like lining up lynches
#78 - Backs down too quickly

Hesitent and bandwagony. Betting he's just new to B12's mafia style. leaning town.

In summary, I think the most likely scum are some combination of Mr.Person, Dariush, and Org with NativeForeigner a likely third party. Org annoys me the most in general, so my vote stays for the time being.

Archangel needs to do something... anything. I'd love a solid post from Ottofar before day's end (see below for what on).


Other, specific points I noticed this time around, along with questions/requests:

Incidentally, I do have someone I'd like to call out, but I'd like to see how they behave for a little while longer.

What ever happened to this?

Ottofar:  While I do agree with your extension request, please make use of the time to expand on your vote reasoning.

Yes, I'm planning to do it when I get on computer.

Did you ever get a computer?

Sorry about the triple post.

I've gotten to the start of page 5, and I have a small chunk written, and though it's not enough to post, it is a start and it's better than the nothing I had before.

Small chunk written that we have yet to see...

Well this is strange. Org, JTF, do you think that lack of a NK was intentional?

Why those two?

Hum hum.
I think I'm gonna vote
Dariush who is hypocritical.

Also, I can do a post, with the reasoning. It would be kinda useless now, but if you guys want one, I'll make one.

Yes. I want to see a solid post from you. This'd be as good a topic as any.

Janus, you seem pretty relaxed about the whole 'I put a whole lot of pressure into MBP and he flipped town' thing. Also, I have a gut feeling that you'll use your note about scum in bandwagon later, when your partner turns up in it, for gaining credibility... Do you have any particular reason beyond your Org vote other than policy?

Should I be something else? Contrasting Bastard Paranormal, I honestly thought MBP was scum up until he flipped.  I happen to agree with Leafsnail that this looks like trying to turn one town-lynch into two.

What's that bit about 'not about scum in bandwagon'?

For Org, see above.

[Leafsnail]

Incidentally, I do have someone I'd like to call out, but I'd like to see how they behave for a little while longer.

What ever happened to this?

Here (stuff inside removed to avoid making this post confusing:

While it does seem Dariush is taking it a little far, you can never be certain it was a town v town fight. What makes you so certain Janus is town?

a) Janus doesn't look scummy in general.  He seems to be doing stuff.
b) Unless their name is webadict, scum doesn't usually like to draw massive attention to themselves on day one.  Why start a huge fight and put yourself at risk when you can coax in the shadows?
c) The bandwagon on him yesterday, and the suggestion that we should lynch MBP and Janus from various quarters, seems to imply to me that he doesn't have scumbuddies backing him up.  Not that I expect them to come out and directly defend him - generally, it's more subtle than that (pushing attention elsewhere, undermining his attackers etc).

[JanusTwoface]

@Leafsnail:
Ah. Missed your self quote in there both times around. Got it.

[Mephansteras]

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
Dariush: Leafsnail, Ottofar
Org: JanusTwoface
Toaster: Dariush
Zathras: Jim Groovester


Day ends ~5pm Pacific Wednesday

[Jack A T]

So what do you hope to get out of asking?  Who do you suspect?

What I hope to get out of asking is, well...the slightest bit of information.  After all, everyone here doesn't think the exact same things as I do.  Knowing slightly more about what others think is useful.

People I suspect?  Well, I still suspect Janus, for the reasons I gave yesterday.  Org...I have no idea what he's trying to say, so I really don't know about him.  He makes little sense!  Is he always like this?  Zathras's defense of me felt a bit contrived at times, but I might just be paranoid.

Toaster seems to be refusing to answer my question today (which is odd, especially with his behavior towards Dariush), but he feels like a townie other than that.

Jim also feels like a townie to me.

It would be nice to see clear, useful, informative posts from Org, Ottofar, and Archangel.  Especially Archangel.

[Zathras]

@Zathras:
You haven't posted anything to the forums since 22 Jan... Any chance you could grace us with your presense?  A LurkerTracker as well if you could?

Yeah, I was away yesterday. I'll post pending answers, thoughts, and a new tracker some time today.

[Jim Groovester]

Fuck what some shitty mafia wiki says on something. Also what JTF said about it. I didn't even look at the link.

Saying 'why am I doing the same thing as X, yet I am voted for it and he isn't?' is one of the top scummiest things I can think off the top of my head. Was that sufficiently non-shitty for you?

I was pointing out inconsistencies in Zathras' argument by comparing what he accused JTF for with previous actions other players had done that were somehow okay. I was the other player. It's still just as valid as if it were somebody else, and I'd still be here pointing out the inconsistency.

Same thing, except now you defend someone else for doing the same thing as you.

I don't know what you're talking about and neither do you.

The things I pointed out are scumtells. If you fail to realize they are, it's not my fault.

Not what I was asking about, dimwit. I wanted to know why you said this:

Why do I feel that I will be next in your list, Jim?

So I'll ask again until it penetrates the concrete, lead-lined thickness of your skull. What does whatever I'm doing with Zathras and Jack A T have to do with you, and why you think I'll be going after you next?

Dariush, it dawned on me when both Sorcerer's Apprentice and this game were in its night phase that you finished each day voting me. Are you searching for reasons to vote me because you've got a chip on your shoulder?

There was what, three days between the end of first days of those two games? I may as well say 'you are as aggressive as you were in Kingmaker as scum, so you must be scum'...

Not what I'm asking.

Since it's pretty clear that you've got a grudge against me, I want to know whether you're just scrapping for reasons to vote me to exact some form of feeble payback against me.

Is that what you're doing? You should stop that if it is.

[NativeForeigner]

Well this is strange. Org, JTF, do you think that lack of a NK was intentional?

Why those two?

Because you were the first to post and you mentioned Org. I was in a bit of a rush, so I chose you two because I didn't feel like reading through the list of players.

[Toaster]

Dariush:

I ask questions so I can get a better read on people.  Sometimes I get lucky and they drop scumslips.  Sometimes not, but that's how I play the game.

Now, your refusal to answer Jack's question and redirection of it to himself is suspicious. So, my vote goes to you, Toaster.

You mean this question?

Everyone who voted MBP in the end: How does MBP's innocence effect your suspicions?

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
Dariush: Toaster
JanusTwoface: Jack A T, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Zathras
Jim Groovester: Dariush
Mysteriousbluepuppet: JanusTwoface, Mr.Person, NativeForeigner, Ottofar
Ottofar: Leafsnail
Zathras: Jim Groovester, Org

I wasn't voting MBP.  I was voting you.  Ergo, he didn't ask me the question.  You should pay better attention.


Since I know what'll come next, I'll answer it anyway:  Not much at all.  Like I said D1, I thought Janus was more suspicious than him, and I thought Dariush was more suspicious than both of them.   Now that he's not paying attention, he's more scummy.

So what do you hope to get out of asking?  Who do you suspect?

What I hope to get out of asking is, well...the slightest bit of information.  After all, everyone here doesn't think the exact same things as I do.  Knowing slightly more about what others think is useful.

People I suspect?  Well, I still suspect Janus, for the reasons I gave yesterday.  Org...I have no idea what he's trying to say, so I really don't know about him.  He makes little sense!  Is he always like this?  Zathras's defense of me felt a bit contrived at times, but I might just be paranoid.

Toaster seems to be refusing to answer my question today (which is odd, especially with his behavior towards Dariush), but he feels like a townie other than that.

Jim also feels like a townie to me.

It would be nice to see clear, useful, informative posts from Org, Ottofar, and Archangel.  Especially Archangel.

Noted on the question.  However, WRT me, you should pay more attention to your own questions instead of what someone else says about them.

[Jack A T]

So what do you hope to get out of asking?  Who do you suspect?

Toaster seems to be refusing to answer my question today (which is odd, especially with his behavior towards Dariush), but he feels like a townie other than that.

...what the fuck was I writing?

Gah.

[Jack A T]

First: Must remember in the future to actually make sure I'm actually writing something based around reality.

Second: With that in mind, Dariush is taking a spot in my list of FoSes.  Not a high spot yet, but a spot.

[JanusTwoface]

What is that list exactly? (Preferably with a sentence or so for each why)