I wrote this at a christmas party an hour or two ago, got hounded for not being social, and e-mailed it to myself and am now posting it.
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Argem, What are those anti town effect ? Explain them please , and be done with it. Kook is not absolute there are way to verify it. What bad effect does it got on you ? I could be a dopp who claimed it to protct myself, and thsus you are more suspicious of me. If thats the case i just drawn attention to me, while it would have been way more profitable to simply lay low. Hell, it would be a good gambit if Kook was basically impossible to distinguish from Dopp, but thats just not the case. The disadvantage of claiming Kook far outweigh the whole benefit they would get of it.
As a self-proclaimed kook, you are going to be hurting the town, whether you try to or not, for the following reasons.
Like a kook discovered any other way, there's nothing but extreme WIFOM in the statement "I am a role that looks just like scum but isn't, trust me on this". Honestly, I don't know what you were thinking; the worst kook is a discovered kook. Kooks should remain undiscovered to have the greatest benefit to town, because attention given to a kook is attention not given to potential scum. Basically, instead of taking your chances to slip through undiscovered and provide a net benefit to town, you came out shouting right away that you were a kook. This was not a good move.
Now, being an open, claimed Kook, you basically forced everyone to think about if they believe your claim or not, right in the opening moves of the game. You know, that part of the game where you have no posts that could be analyzed to determine how helpful you have been to town, and thus the chances you have of being a lying dopp.
The only benefit at all I can see for your claim is that you came out with it on Day One, when town is as far as possible from LyLo. As tempting as it is to vote a kook in the mid-to-late game, it ought to be a no brainer when there are next to no risks for it.
The only way, as far as I know, to verify your kook claim for certain is to use a scanner. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see someone wasting a scanner just to find out you are a kook or a dopp, when there are so many more important people that could be scanned, like, say, anyone who hasn't claimed anything, or someone who claimed a powerful role.
Now, about the potential for it being a dopp bluff/gambit. Your entire explanation for why it ISN'T a gambit is pure WIFOM. And that is the entire point.
As a dopp claiming Kook preemptively, you have these benefits.
1. People are likely to trust you, because it seems unlikely for a dopp to do that. WIFOM.
2. The only way they can prove or disprove you is to waste a scanner. If the town is determined enough to find out for sure, they have to waste a scanner that could be used on your scumbuddies.
3. As an extension of 2, if Town wants to verify you before they lynch you, they not only waste a scanner but they have to suffer through a whole extra nightkill from the other dopps before the next available day to actually lynch you.
4. If there is an actual Kook in the game, you make it that much more confusing if that other kook gets discovered.
5. Kook is a role that has no obligation to be proved by the person claiming it. Presumably, there's nothing they can do to prove it, so it's a really hard lie to flush out, unlike something like a roleblocker.
And the disadvantages for being a dopp preemptively claiming kook:
1. Draws attention to you. Hell, this is the only disadvantage that has been presented to me, and it is the only disadvantage I can think of. And a halfway-competent player will be utterly unaffected by the extra attention. Plus, on top of that, you really aren't getting much attention outside of myself and Zath, so, um, yeah.
Hell, you are , right now, the most outspoken about that whole thing, and that got me wary. The dopp are probly happy of the game so far, since they can safely stay out of focuswhile you never stop poundin on the nail however much i explain how it would have been a terribly stupid idea. So yeah, way too eager to lynch town (since the dopp do know i'm not one of them) aint doing much to my trust in you, Argem
Well obviously I'm the most outspoken about the whole thing; people have honed in on me asking me questions. I don't have any problem with it at all, as I actually think what I'm doing is good for Town, and contrary to what people seem to be assuming, I have thought this through, quite a bit. I have arrived to a conclusion I feel to be both valid and sound. And I am more than willing to share my thoughts and opinions, as should be eye-bleedingly obvious by now
I have no idea what the dopps are thinking about this game. I would like to think they are annoyed with me for wanting to remove either their scumbuddy, or a WIFOMy thorn in everyone's side.
If they continue to stay out of focus, (assuming they are among the lurkers right now) they'll be sought before long. It's open goddamn season out here right now; it's getting pretty obvious who is lurking. And again, contrary to popular belief, I'm not singlemindedly focusing on you; it just looks that way because I'm getting questions left and right and I am completely obligated to answer all of them or suffer the consequences.
I expect everyone in the game to give me their top 3 scumpicks and reasoning. I plan to analyze everyone's responses. I also plan to follow through on my other suspicions as well, assuming no unforeseen developments.
But, regarding you, my reasons for voting you are
1. You could be lying, in which case you should be lynched.
2. You could be telling the truth, in which case you're a discovered kook and since there's no imminent risk or danger, you should be lynched to spare us the WIFOM.
Both of these assume there is nobody more scummy to lynch, which, at least to me, there aren't. Dariush continues to approach that level at high speeds though.
I mean, is this really a bad reason to vote you?
@JanusRegarding the difference between accepting and believing,
I'mma just quote Zathras because he said it quite well.
I also think there is merit in the distinction between accepting the claim, and believing it. Sure, Toony and Janus may not have chosen their words carefully, but I ask them to please clarify which of the following two stances is accurate in their view:
a) I acccept that he claimed kook, which is a null tell, so he should hang or not based on his scumminess, relative to the other targets present.
b) I believe his claim of a kook townie, so we should not hang him because he's a townie and we should look for a scum instead.
There's a clear difference. If you believe him, then he's town and shouldn't hang. If you accept it, then it's a null tell and should take his place amongst the scummy ones and hang if he deserves it based on other criteria. Please clarify.
PPE:
Uh, two of your top three scumpicks are people who are voting you, and your reasoning is basically, because they are voting you.
Well ok then.
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